[OZAPRS] Fw: Re: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problemsagain

[Tony Hunt]

Tony & Eva Hunt  wavetel at internode.on.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Hunt" <wavetel at internode.on.net>
To: <vk4tec at people.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems
again


> From memory Mark 4KMR knows how to contact this Guys son..
>
> It seems there is a complete lack of coordination up there in VK4 with
> APRS.. No direction from anybody with any experience or expertese
otherwise
> these things would have been sorted out ages ago..
>
> A active group should be formed..
>
> It looks like 4OG's son may be responsible for the Igate setup ..
Attacking
> 4OG is likely a waste of time.. It does make you wonder though about
levels
> of resposibility when an amateur surrenders his callsign and trust to
> another amateur to go and set up a Igate at his house..
>
> Just dont forget to remember that the people involved are just ignorant
or
> unaware of the problems they are causing.. Attacking them and spending
time
> making cgi scripts for everybody to look at isnt helping.. You will soon
> perhaps have to appologise and make up for lost ground making it harder
to
> work with these people.. Sure they owe an appology as well but it does
not
> justify you going off in frustration..
>
> Just back to the technical side of things.. Has anybody actually checked
if
> they can send a message to 4OG when its on air and see what path it
takes
??
> Maybee it comes back off the Net ?? Just send a ?APRST or Uiview Ping to
> him.. Does he RX it and what is the path ?? Perhaps he does not RX
anything
> off RF ..
>
> If you add up all the traffic on your cgi from all stations apart from
4OG
> and then compare that with all the traffic from 4OG only I wonder if
they
> come close ?? There may be a good case to prove that his TNC does not RX
> from RF .. Perhaps the volumme is turned down on the radio!!
>
> Maybee this is a reason as to why messaging to RF does not work up there
> properly.. I can see some more questions that need answering there ..
>
> Tony & Eva Hunt  wavetel at internode.on.net
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
> To: "Tony Hunt" <wavetel at internode.on.net>; <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems
> again
>
>
> > What do suggest we do ?
> >
> > We have an amateur that wont play the game.
> >
> >
>
>
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> --
> > Andrew Rich VK4TEC
> > vk4tec at people.net.au <mailto:vk4tec at people.net.au>
> > http://www.tech-software.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Hunt [mailto:wavetel at internode.on.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2007 7:48 PM
> > To: vk4tec at people.net.au; ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> > Subject: [SPAM] Re: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems
> > again
> > Importance: Low
> >
> >
> > Still waiting for you to stop attacking each other up in VK4
(Brisbane)
> and
> > get on with it.. Sharing the dirty laundry on here isnt going to get
you
> > anything (except maybee feeling better now) or anywhere.. We cant help
you
> > anymore except give you advice of a technical nature.. You have to
help
> > yourselves ..
> >
> > Why are you so incapable of getting together and working it out like
> normal
> > people ??
> > We in VK5 and others have managed to make it work..
> >
> > Why doesnt somebody up there stand up and call a meeting of all
involved
> ??
> > Its too easy to sit there with emails and sling off at each other and
now
> > its getting pretty tyring to watch..
> >
> > Are you amateurs or enemies ??
> >
> > Tony Hunt  VK5AH
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
> > To: "Tony Hunt" <wavetel at internode.on.net>; <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems again
> >
> >
> > >
> > > http://vk4tec.no-ip.org/cgi-bin/seqld_packet.cgi
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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> > --
> > > Andrew Rich VK4TEC
> > > vk4tec at people.net.au <mailto:vk4tec at people.net.au>
> > > http://www.tech-software.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tony Hunt [mailto:wavetel at internode.on.net]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2007 6:49 PM
> > > To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> > > Cc: vk4tec at people.net.au
> > > Subject: Re: Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems again
> > >
> > >
> > > Ive been watching these comments from Andrew for a while now and
this
> isnt
> > > the first time its been spotted.. 10/10 for Andrew in the way hes
> actually
> > > watching the packets and looking at them off air and asking
questions.
> Not
> > > enough of this is done..
> > >
> > > Now to the issue.. Vk4OG seems to be running Ui-view.. If Ui-view is
> used
> > to
> > > Gate off the net to RF it will not gate stuff to RF if its allready
been
> > > seen on RF.. This is known as a local station (see Ui-view32
> Options-Show
> > > Igate traffic window) .. So the answer lies down this line.. It
would
be
> > > very interesting to see how many stations he has got in that Local
> > Stations
> > > part of the Igate traffic window.
> > >
> > > So it seems for some reason VK4OG is not hearing 4CPM-9 or 4TDI-9 on
RF
> ..
> > > This could be a receive TNC or Radio issue at 4OG or even the
network
> not
> > > reaching him.. The other not so obvious think that could be a factor
> here
> > is
> > > in Ui-view Setup-Miscellaneous menu known as expire time. This would
be
> > best
> > > set  at say 60 mins. Ive a strong suspicion this timer is tied into
the
> > > local stations listing I mentioned above.
> > > In the case of the network not reaching him there could be
configuration
> > > issues in the digis which has been raised repeatedly. It is however
> easier
> > > to check out the recieve situation at 4OG's place before running off
at
> > > tangents with network issues.
> > >
> > > Just looking at FindU .. 4OG has not been up on the net for a day or
so
> > now
> > > but he was connected in via T2AUST-2 server. 4CPM-9 was last gated
to
> the
> > > net via 4TEC and 4TDI-9 was gated last to the net via 4DMI-4 .  So
you
> > have
> > > multiple stations gating to the Net.. This should not present a
problem
> > > normally these days. However once someone starts gating to RF off
the
> Net
> > > you need to think and plan the network topology and make sure he
(the
> > Igate
> > > to RF) can recieve properly the local stations.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps. Check these things out.
> > >
> > > Tony Hunt VK5AH
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:06:45 +1000
> > > > From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
> > > > Subject: [OZAPRS] Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems
> > > > again.
> > > > To: "ozaprs" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> > > > Message-ID: <LGEKIKIAKJPNFGILGJBBOEBPDMAA.vk4tec at people.net.au>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > >
> > > > Looks like VK4OG is back on air causing problems again.
> > > >
> > > > Heard on air interface
> > > >
> > > > VK4TDI-9>APOTC0,WIDE1,WIDE2-1: <UI>:!/\Dytu/gn> st/A=-00121 12.0V
> > > >
> > > > Re-broadcast to air interface by VK4OG-1 from internet
> > > >
> > > > VK4OG-1>APU25N,WIDE1:
> <<UI>>:}VK4TDI-9>APOTC0,TCPIP,VK4OG-1*:!/\Dytu/gn>
> > > > st/A=-00121 12.0V
> > > >
> > > > Heard on air interface
> > > >
> > > > VK4CPM-9>APOT02,VK4RAI-3,VK4RGO-3*:
> > > <UI>:/020110h2736.80S/15247.43E>103/009
> > > > 13.4VOpenTracker/A=000088
> > > >
> > > > Re-broadcast to air interface by VK4OG-1 from internet
> > > >
> > > > VK4OG-1>APU25N,WIDE1:
> > > >
> >
<<UI>>:}VK4CPM-9>APOT02,TCPIP,VK4OG-1*:/020110h2736.80S/15247.43E>103/009
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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