[OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF (Robert Bruninga)

[Tony Hunt]

Here is the reply I sent to Bob direct as the first response I got on this
was direct from Bob.

Tony  Hunt  VK5AH


----- Original Messages ----- 
From: "Tony Hunt" <wavetel at internode.on.net>
To: <bruninga at usna.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF (Robert Bruninga)


> Bob ..
>
> > Are you saying that your area is a WIDE-only network that does
> > not even support WIDEn-n-N?  WIDE1-1 works everywhere independent
> > of whether New-N has been implemented or not, as long as WIDEn-N
> > works.
>
> In our local area both WIDE1-1 and WIDE do work .. Theres been alot of
> discussion about the new paradigm of  of late in VK thats for sure..
>
> There are I beleive some KPC3's of various firmwares out there
interstate
> hanging off the VHF networks. The settings for WIDE1-1 in their Uidigi
> config line are unknown to me. Considering we have not fully implemented
or
> even come to a consensus on the new paradigm here in VK . Changing from
> something that has been recomended practice for years (even though its
> different to what alot of others have been doing for years in other
> countries) should be looked at.
>
> All I am saying is that the web page (that you cant seem to browse) is
what
> we have been using as a reference and building from this. This reads
> differently to what you suggested. Maybe we need to look at changing
things.
> Thats allways on the cards..
> http://www.aprs.net.au/hf_aprs_information.htm
>
> While on the subject.. What sort of overlay do you suggest for a Ui-Digi
> that is capable of both old and new Paradigms ? That is to say it still
> works with WIDE RELAY and has ZONE or Section digipeating enabled but
has
no
> TRACE capability at all .. I found a page of yours with overlays
suggested
> but theres no overlay for this situation.
>
> Tony Hunt  VK5AH wavetel at internode.on.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: "'Tony Hunt'" <wavetel at internode.on.net>; "'VK / ZL APRS Users'"
> <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF (Robert Bruninga)
>
>
> > Regarding the HF path recommendation of VIA GATE,WIDE1-1:
> >
> > > With the greatest of respect Bob I gotta say your a bit
> > > off beam here if not misleading.  Telling us what to do
> > > from over your way is way off sometimes.   The New
> > > paradigm isnt implenented here as yet and saying things like.
> > >
> > >> "(it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but the WIDE part
> > >> of that is now obsolete and will not work)."
> > >
> > > Just isnt true.. Recomending anything with WIDE1-1 isnt
> > > allways guaranteed to get very far either
> >
> > Are you saying that your area is a WIDE-only network that does
> > not even support WIDEn-N?  WIDE1-1 works everywhere independent
> > of whether New-N has been implemented or not, as long as WIDEn-N
> > works. WIDEn-N has been implemented since 1998 or so...  WIDE1-1
> > is just a WIDEn-N with N=1.  If there are still some WIDE-only
> > locations that do not support WIDEn-N at all, then I think it is
> > probably time for those networks to consider the factor of 2 to
> > 4 times QRM reduction available in WIDEn-N networks.
> >
> > The New-N Paradigm, is simply a recommended set of settings for
> > WIDEn-N networks to optimize their operations.  But even if not
> > implementd, WIDEn-N still works in those areas and so will
> > WIDE1-1.  Even if 10% of the world is still WIDE-only, then
> > using WIDE1-1 will still give you a 90% better chance of being
> > heard than a WIDE-only packet if you propogate into those other
> > coutries.
> >
> > > That might all work nice for you but are we really expecting
> > > the Ionosphere to work that well that we can make regular use
> > > of your HF gates over there??
> >
> > Most of the APRS world, not just the USA supports WIDEn-N
> > digipeating (hence WIDE1-1).
> >
> > > Maybe for the best solution to the question in VK land have
> > > a look at this web page which isnt all that dated.
> > > http://www.aprs.net.au/hf_aprs_information.htm
> >
> > Sorry, I get a dead link when I try that from here..
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:39:58 -0500
> > > > From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF
> > > >
> > > > > I have tried several HF path variations like GATE,
> > > > > WIDE and did not make it to www.findu.com
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the correct path statement that should be used?
> > > >
> > > > The path that has always been recommended since we first
> > > > began HF APRS on that freequency back in 1993, that is,
> > > > VIA GATE,WIDE1-1.  (it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but the
> > > > WIDE part of that is now obsolete and will not work).
> > > > See the original HF.TXT file.  See the web page:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/gates.html
> > > >
> > > > Do not use ECHO.  The page explained above tells why...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Bob, Wb4APR
> >
>

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