[OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting +confusion....

[Kev Cav]

yes and it aint broke

Andrew McDade wrote:
> I guess the question we need to ask, is whether 2 hops will allow ALL
aprs 
> stations within Australia to reach an Igate reliably.
>
>  If we have a situation where all stations can hit an Igate in 2 hops or

> less then well and good, WIDE2-2 is definitely the way to go. But if
there 
> are still some areas that require 3 hops to achieve this, then where are
we 
> with regards to a standard, default, documentable, promotable Nation
Wide 
> config for general APRS users.
>
> I would hate to see a situation where we've got different default
configs 
> for different areas ie. WIDE2-2 for some areas and WIDE3-3 for others. I

> think this would be a regressive step.
>
> So the question again , are there any areas within Australia that
require 3 
> ( or more ) hops to reliably access an Igate ?
>
> Regards .. Andrew .. VK5EX
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Hunt" <wavetel at bigpond.com>
> To: <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting 
> +confusion....
>
>
>   
>> Whats this idea I see of WIDE3-3 for home stations?? Currently we
recomend
>> and use predominantly WIDE2-2 in Adelaide .. If we use WIDE3-3 then we 
>> will
>> cross the border to Mildura and Ouyen .. Is there any need for this
many
>> hops if all satations are within 2 hops of an Igate ?? WIDE3-3 will
just
>> increase the amount of traffic in our situation and likely insure alot
of
>> VK3 traffic right through to Pt Linclon instead of just the occasional
bit
>> here and there..
>>
>> Or are we going to recomend WIDE3-3 and then Trap the last hop in the 
>> digis
>> which is one approach..
>>
>> Ive seen this WIDE3-3 mentioned a couple of times now and thought it
must
>> have been a typo at first ..
>>
>> Also 50 stations within 50miles of Adelaide.. I concur with Terry.. We 
>> must
>> be on a different map or planet to Bob .. Our Igate shows about 15
locals
>> presently which is about normal
>> http://121.44.67.103:14501/
>> There are 23 VK5s currently listed on my Client here some of which are
via
>> the Igate and not on RF..
>>
>> There are about 40 listed here but about 1/2 of them are over a day old

>> with
>> no recent posits.
>> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?vk5*
>>
>> 50 Stations!! I gota to see that .. Talk about rush hour in Adelaide..
We
>> are just an oversized country town here and pleased to be that way..
>>
>> Melbourne is the traffic worry on 2m APRS from what Ive experienced..
>>
>> Tony  Hunt  VK5AH
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>     
>>> Your thoughts Richard 3JFK too please.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 11:06 +0800, Chris Hill wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> May I suggest the following "KISS" outcome for APRS in VK:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Mobiles set path to "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2"
>>>>
>>>> 2.  Home users set path to "APRS v WIDE3-3"
>>>>
>>>>         
>> Bob Said
>>
>>     
>>> Boy was I wrong.  I just zoomed on the first call I saw and
>>> found that even Adelade is probably just about optimally loaded
>>> and cannot afford much coming in from say Melbourne without
>>> having some impact on throughput.  I see 50 stations within 50
>>> miles of Adelade and that is about as high as you want to go
>>> without losing reliability for small trackers.
>>>
>>> Then I zoomed in on Melbourne and see that it is as dense as
>>> some of our highest density cities in the USA!  We use WIDE2-2
>>> in those areas...
>>> (see MAP on http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/fix14439.html
>>>
>>> Seeing these maps, I now am convinced that you are on the right
>>> track to implement the New-N paradigm measures to help improve
>>> the reliability of local area APRS.  And since these population
>>> densities seem quite well focused with big gaps inbetween, then
>>> it does make sense to limit the WIDEn-N hops so that mobiles in
>>> one area are not QRMING long distances away to the other
>>> areas...
>>>
>>> Great work!
>>> Bob, Wb4APR
>>>
>>>       
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