[OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting +confusion....

Wed Nov 8 23:35:00 EST 2006

I'm happy with this. Does anyone see any problems.

Andrew I did read your post and yes guidelines do need to be written.

Your thoughts Richard 3JFK too please.

Regards,
Ron

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 11:06 +0800, Chris Hill wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> May I suggest the following "KISS" outcome for APRS in VK:
> 
> 
> 1.  Mobiles set path to "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2"
> 
> 2.  Home users set path to "APRS v WIDE3-3"
> 
> 3.  Home users do NOT configure their systems to be WIDE (or WIDE1-1)
> digipeaters (without detailed RF co-channel interference analysis first)
> 
> 4.  The whole "ZONEn-n" issue is left up to each region / club to decide
and
> promulgate, depending on the regional needs.  (Makes sense...  only
those
> "in the know" need to know...  otherwise you just drive through an area
> using the default path of "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2").  The regional
ZONEn-n
> settings can be promulgated via websites and 1 hourly bulletins.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully this keeps everyone happy, and is so simple that the average
> amateur looking at operating APRS, simply reads points 1, 2 and 3, and
says
> "OK, I can do that...  easy!"
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> vk6kch
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> Behalf Of Andrew McDade
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 8:47 AM
> To: VK / ZL APRS Users
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
> +confusion....
> 
> So what do we want to settle on and promote for general use throughout 
> Australia ..
> 
> WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 for mobiles and WIDE2-2 for home stations ?
> OR
> WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 for mobiles and WIDE3-3 for home stations. ?
> 
> As for ZONEn-n do we want to settle on using the first 4 letters of the 
> particular regions major, town or city ?
> 
> If and when a ZONEn-n is used in a particular region do we promote the
use 
> in the manner ZONE1-1,ZONEn-n OR just ZONEn-n  OR both ?
> 
> Do we settle on a documentable standard, for a max hops path for ZONEn-n
for
> 
> normal use ie ZONE3-3 or ZONE4-4 but not stricktly limited to.
> 
> Regards .. Andrew .. VK5EX
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: "'VK / ZL APRS Users'" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting 
> +confusion....
> 
> 
> >> Roaming mobiles would use WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 or whatever.
> > Mobiles not
> >> expecting to cross zone boundaries would use ZONE1-1,ZONE2-2
> > thus
> >> eliminating interzone QRM.
> >
> > Again, 2 hops from any mobile is not going to hurt anyone, so
> > there is no reason to encourage (and confuse) people by
> > suggesting low values of ZONEn-N.  Besides even if someone lives
> > on the border, then still want to see and bee seen out 2 hops
> > usually.  Remember, the ZONEn-N system was only intended to
> > allow LARGE values of N to be used for OCCASSIONAL operation
> > into specific ZONE wide net, without causing the problems that
> > using that SAME large N would cause if that border station used
> > a large WIDEn-N.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dion.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:35:01 +1100, Richard Hoskin
> >> <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Dion,
> >> >
> >> > If you where using any ZONEn-n / SSn-n path you would need
> >> to change it
> >> > when
> >> > you crossed Zone boundaries. This does not apply to the VK3
> >> Zone system
> >> > as
> >> > it is transparent to users.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Richard
> >> > VK3JFK
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au
> >> [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> >> >> Behalf Of Dion Bramich
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006 5:14 PM
> >> >> To: VK / ZL APRS Users
> >> >> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand
> > pathlimiting
> >> >> +confusion....
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:58:34 +1100, Andrew McDade
> >> >> <amcdade at iprimus.com.au>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Gday Richard and all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Zoning would make more sense. We use a different
> >> implementation of
> >> >> Zones
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> VK3 already
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Noting your comment above. I think that we should be
> > trying to
> >> >> > standardize
> >> >> > on one form or another of a zoning system that will best
> >> suit the
> >> >> whole
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > Australia. You could say that each region / zone is
> >> independent, and
> >> >> so
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > doesn't really matter which way this is setup. However
> >> it would be
> >> >> nice
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > a documentation and new user setup point of view, if a
> >> standard set of
> >> >> > guidelines is developed with regards to this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nicer, eg, if someone down here could get on the boat,
> >> drive and be seen
> >> >> without the need for him to take all his documentation to
> >> learn how to
> >> >> reprogram, and his laptop to do the programming?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BTW... perhaps you could tell us more about the Vic
> > zoning
> >> >> > implementation.
> >> >> > Perhaps , it'll suit the rest of us as well !!.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dion.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards .. Andrew
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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