[OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting +confusion....

Wed Nov 8 14:13:33 EST 2006

Good suggestion, thats as simple as it needs to be.

Dion.

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:06:35 +1100, Chris Hill  
<chris.hill at crhtelnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> May I suggest the following "KISS" outcome for APRS in VK:
>
>
> 1.  Mobiles set path to "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2"
>
> 2.  Home users set path to "APRS v WIDE3-3"
>
> 3.  Home users do NOT configure their systems to be WIDE (or WIDE1-1)
> digipeaters (without detailed RF co-channel interference analysis first)
>
> 4.  The whole "ZONEn-n" issue is left up to each region / club to decide

> and
> promulgate, depending on the regional needs.  (Makes sense...  only
those
> "in the know" need to know...  otherwise you just drive through an area
> using the default path of "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2").  The regional  
> ZONEn-n
> settings can be promulgated via websites and 1 hourly bulletins.
>
>
>
> Hopefully this keeps everyone happy, and is so simple that the average
> amateur looking at operating APRS, simply reads points 1, 2 and 3, and  
> says
> "OK, I can do that...  easy!"
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
>
> Chris
> vk6kch
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> Behalf Of Andrew McDade
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 8:47 AM
> To: VK / ZL APRS Users
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
> +confusion....
>
> So what do we want to settle on and promote for general use throughout
> Australia ..
>
> WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 for mobiles and WIDE2-2 for home stations ?
> OR
> WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 for mobiles and WIDE3-3 for home stations. ?
>
> As for ZONEn-n do we want to settle on using the first 4 letters of the
> particular regions major, town or city ?
>
> If and when a ZONEn-n is used in a particular region do we promote the  
> use
> in the manner ZONE1-1,ZONEn-n OR just ZONEn-n  OR both ?
>
> Do we settle on a documentable standard, for a max hops path for ZONEn-n

> for
>
> normal use ie ZONE3-3 or ZONE4-4 but not stricktly limited to.
>
> Regards .. Andrew .. VK5EX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: "'VK / ZL APRS Users'" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
> +confusion....
>
>
>>> Roaming mobiles would use WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 or whatever.
>> Mobiles not
>>> expecting to cross zone boundaries would use ZONE1-1,ZONE2-2
>> thus
>>> eliminating interzone QRM.
>>
>> Again, 2 hops from any mobile is not going to hurt anyone, so
>> there is no reason to encourage (and confuse) people by
>> suggesting low values of ZONEn-N.  Besides even if someone lives
>> on the border, then still want to see and bee seen out 2 hops
>> usually.  Remember, the ZONEn-N system was only intended to
>> allow LARGE values of N to be used for OCCASSIONAL operation
>> into specific ZONE wide net, without causing the problems that
>> using that SAME large N would cause if that border station used
>> a large WIDEn-N.
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:35:01 +1100, Richard Hoskin
>>> <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Dion,
>>> >
>>> > If you where using any ZONEn-n / SSn-n path you would need
>>> to change it
>>> > when
>>> > you crossed Zone boundaries. This does not apply to the VK3
>>> Zone system
>>> > as
>>> > it is transparent to users.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Richard
>>> > VK3JFK
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au
>>> [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
>>> >> Behalf Of Dion Bramich
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006 5:14 PM
>>> >> To: VK / ZL APRS Users
>>> >> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand
>> pathlimiting
>>> >> +confusion....
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:58:34 +1100, Andrew McDade
>>> >> <amcdade at iprimus.com.au>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Gday Richard and all,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Zoning would make more sense. We use a different
>>> implementation of
>>> >> Zones
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >> VK3 already
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Noting your comment above. I think that we should be
>> trying to
>>> >> > standardize
>>> >> > on one form or another of a zoning system that will best
>>> suit the
>>> >> whole
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > Australia. You could say that each region / zone is
>>> independent, and
>>> >> so
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > doesn't really matter which way this is setup. However
>>> it would be
>>> >> nice
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > a documentation and new user setup point of view, if a
>>> standard set of
>>> >> > guidelines is developed with regards to this.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nicer, eg, if someone down here could get on the boat,
>>> drive and be seen
>>> >> without the need for him to take all his documentation to
>>> learn how to
>>> >> reprogram, and his laptop to do the programming?
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > BTW... perhaps you could tell us more about the Vic
>> zoning
>>> >> > implementation.
>>> >> > Perhaps , it'll suit the rest of us as well !!.
>>> >>
>>> >> Dion.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards .. Andrew
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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