[OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting +confusion....
Chris Hill
chris.hill at crhtelnet.com.au
Wed Nov 8 14:06:35 EST 2006
Hi All,
May I suggest the following "KISS" outcome for APRS in VK:
1. Mobiles set path to "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2"
2. Home users set path to "APRS v WIDE3-3"
3. Home users do NOT configure their systems to be WIDE (or WIDE1-1)
digipeaters (without detailed RF co-channel interference analysis first)
4. The whole "ZONEn-n" issue is left up to each region / club to decide
and
promulgate, depending on the regional needs. (Makes sense... only those
"in the know" need to know... otherwise you just drive through an area
using the default path of "APRS v WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2"). The regional ZONEn-n
settings can be promulgated via websites and 1 hourly bulletins.
Hopefully this keeps everyone happy, and is so simple that the average
amateur looking at operating APRS, simply reads points 1, 2 and 3, and
says
"OK, I can do that... easy!"
73
Chris
vk6kch
-----Original Message-----
From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
Behalf Of Andrew McDade
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 8:47 AM
To: VK / ZL APRS Users
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....
So what do we want to settle on and promote for general use throughout
Australia ..
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 for mobiles and WIDE2-2 for home stations ?
OR
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 for mobiles and WIDE3-3 for home stations. ?
As for ZONEn-n do we want to settle on using the first 4 letters of the
particular regions major, town or city ?
If and when a ZONEn-n is used in a particular region do we promote the use
in the manner ZONE1-1,ZONEn-n OR just ZONEn-n OR both ?
Do we settle on a documentable standard, for a max hops path for ZONEn-n
for
normal use ie ZONE3-3 or ZONE4-4 but not stricktly limited to.
Regards .. Andrew .. VK5EX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: "'VK / ZL APRS Users'" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....
>> Roaming mobiles would use WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 or whatever.
> Mobiles not
>> expecting to cross zone boundaries would use ZONE1-1,ZONE2-2
> thus
>> eliminating interzone QRM.
>
> Again, 2 hops from any mobile is not going to hurt anyone, so
> there is no reason to encourage (and confuse) people by
> suggesting low values of ZONEn-N. Besides even if someone lives
> on the border, then still want to see and bee seen out 2 hops
> usually. Remember, the ZONEn-N system was only intended to
> allow LARGE values of N to be used for OCCASSIONAL operation
> into specific ZONE wide net, without causing the problems that
> using that SAME large N would cause if that border station used
> a large WIDEn-N.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
>
>
>> Dion.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:35:01 +1100, Richard Hoskin
>> <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dion,
>> >
>> > If you where using any ZONEn-n / SSn-n path you would need
>> to change it
>> > when
>> > you crossed Zone boundaries. This does not apply to the VK3
>> Zone system
>> > as
>> > it is transparent to users.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Richard
>> > VK3JFK
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au
>> [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
>> >> Behalf Of Dion Bramich
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006 5:14 PM
>> >> To: VK / ZL APRS Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand
> pathlimiting
>> >> +confusion....
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:58:34 +1100, Andrew McDade
>> >> <amcdade at iprimus.com.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Gday Richard and all,
>> >> >
>> >> >> Zoning would make more sense. We use a different
>> implementation of
>> >> Zones
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> VK3 already
>> >> >
>> >> > Noting your comment above. I think that we should be
> trying to
>> >> > standardize
>> >> > on one form or another of a zoning system that will best
>> suit the
>> >> whole
>> >> > of
>> >> > Australia. You could say that each region / zone is
>> independent, and
>> >> so
>> >> > it
>> >> > doesn't really matter which way this is setup. However
>> it would be
>> >> nice
>> >> > from
>> >> > a documentation and new user setup point of view, if a
>> standard set of
>> >> > guidelines is developed with regards to this.
>> >>
>> >> Nicer, eg, if someone down here could get on the boat,
>> drive and be seen
>> >> without the need for him to take all his documentation to
>> learn how to
>> >> reprogram, and his laptop to do the programming?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW... perhaps you could tell us more about the Vic
> zoning
>> >> > implementation.
>> >> > Perhaps , it'll suit the rest of us as well !!.
>> >>
>> >> Dion.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards .. Andrew
>> >> >
>> >> >
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