aprs.net.au DNS swapover
Geoff
ggatward at iinet.net.au
Fri Aug 20 07:55:10 EST 2004
Guys,
Can we set up a CNAME entry for first.aprs.net.au and point it to
aprs.net.au (Even if we do end up joining tier2, domestically our
servers
will still be unique)
Phil has contacted me about this as well and I wanted to hold off doing
anything until we sorted out the stability issues we were having.
I was thinking along the lines of having ONE server in tier2, but if it
means changing ports around we would need to implement this on all our VK
core, and join them all to tier2.
I wonder if the 'standard' ports list would include the addition of the VK
and ZL feed ports to the rest of tier2 as well (That would provide a great
deal of redundancy for us)
second.aprs.net.au would have a connection limit imposed on the non-vk
ports, since I can't really let second.aprs.net.au's bandwidth usage
increase too much further - it shares our corporate office link and has
been
allowed to remain since its throughput is 'lowish'.
Of course the users and connected Igates will need to change config - not
a
hard job, but annoying.....
I've got no problems with the idea - if everyone is in agreement.
What are your thoughts?
Geoff
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---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Richard Hoskin" <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
To: "'Geoff'" <ggatward at iinet.net.au>, "'Darryl Smith'" <Darryl at radio-
active.net.au>, "'Damien Gardner Jnr'" <rendrag at rendrag.net>
Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:45:37 +1000
Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> Geoff,
>
> Your idea is good as it will get rid of the confusion.
>
> Yep the uneducated recon its not a URL unless it's got WWW at the
beginning.
> I've had this argument a few times.
>
> Gents,
> I was in contact with the people who are running the ???.aprs2.net
> system. They where wondering if we wanted to join? Any thoughts? See
> Below;
>
> Cheers
> Richard.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have been aware of your two servers down there since before Tier
> 2. I have always wanted to incorporate your servers into the
> network, but had been hesitant to ask until we became well-
> established. Looking at your port list, there are only two ports
> that concern me - 10154 and 10155. On every Tier 2 server around
> the world, 10154 provides a US feed and 10155 provides a Europe
> feed. Port standardization was one of the top priorities of the
> establishment of the Tier 2 network, but I had realized that your
> server had been up for quite a long time, and wasn't sure you wanted
> to make changes like that. Between your two servers, there are
> currently at this moment about 35 clients connected that would be
> affected if you made the changes. Would you be willing to make those
> changes and contact each client to inform them of the move? If so,
> then there is absolutely no problem!
>
> According to your port list on the servers, here's what it would
> look like in Tier 2 standards:
>
> 1314 - Messaging Only Port
> 2323 - WX Feed (currently your 10160)
> 10151 - Full Feed w/ history dump
> 10152 - Full Feed no echo
> 10153 - VK/ZL Feed w/ history dump (if desired)
> 10154 - USA Feed
> 10155 - Europe Feed
> 10158 - IRLP Status
> 10160 - ARISS/PCSat Feed (currently your 10155)
> 14578 - ZL Only APRS Feed (currently your 10154)
> 14579 - VK/ZL APRS Feed (currently your 10153)
> 14580 - User-Defined Filter Feed
>
> Please study this list and the feasability of making the changes to your
> servers. I understand that it is a bit of a hassle to do that to
> users, and to have to contact them one by one, but it has been
> successfully done across the globe with the other servers. I hope
> you understand why port standardization is so important to us - in
> fact, one other reason we have it set up that was is we are looking
> at a rotate.aprs2.net type address for certain applications. Having
> the ports standardized will allow roll-over between the servers
> without worrying about the ports being different. The standard is
> catching on - even servers who do not wish to become part of the
> network are using this port scheme. If you are unable or unwilling
> to change ports, maybe we can talk about some other options. Please
> let me know what you think!
>
> Server names, following the Tier 2 format, would be APRSVK and
> APRSVK2, and the domain names could either be australia.aprs2.net,
australia2.aprs2.net
> or sydney.aprs2.net or any combination. We try to keep the domain names
> regional in identity, so as to help users know where to find their
> specialized feeds.
>
> Enjoy! Let me know what you think.
> 73
> Phil - AD6NH
> http://www.aprs2.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff [mailto:ggatward at iinet.net.au]
> > Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 6:11 PM
> > To: Darryl Smith; 'Damien Gardner Jnr'
> > Cc: 'Richard Hoskins'
> > Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> >
> > Sorry I didn't reply to all this sooner, been pretty busy :-P
> >
> > (Thanks guys for changing the hosts over - looks fine now)
> >
> > To clarify what is hosted where now,
> > 203.17.15.167 hosts only one javAPRSsrvr application
(third.aprs.net.au)
> > 203.220.0.74 hosts only one javAPRSsrvr application (aprs.net.au)
> > 210.193.156.78 hosts only one javAPRSsrvr application
(second.aprs.net.au)
> > 203.194.26.237 hosts only the web pages (all of them)
> > MX goes to radio-active.net.au
> >
> > The confusion seems to be between "aprs.net.au" and "www.aprs.net.au".
> > Perhaps to avoid confusion next time we should change aprs.net.au to
> > FIRST.aprs.net.au (following the same standard as the core)
> >
> > If we introduced this as a CNAME record for a few months and get
people
> > used
> > to using it, we could phase out aprs.net.au, or better still alias it
via
> > CNAME to www.aprs.net.au. This way all the web sites are 'standard'
and
> > work
> > both with and without the www prefix.
> >
> > What are your thoughts on this one??
> >
> > I'm still miffed by everyone who 'assumes' that a web site must start
with
> > www, but then........
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> > --
> > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Darryl Smith" <Darryl at radio-active.net.au>
> > To: "'Damien Gardner Jnr'" <rendrag at rendrag.net>, "'Geoff'"
> > <ggatward at iinet.net.au>
> > Cc: "'Richard Hoskins'" <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
> > Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:22:05 +1000
> > Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> >
> > > Thanks. Hopefully it is fixed
> > >
> > > Darryl
> > >
> > > ---------
> > > Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia
> > > Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International]
> > > www.radio-active.net.au\blog\ - www.radio-active.net.au\web\tracking
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Damien Gardner Jnr [mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:17 AM
> > > To: Darryl Smith; 'Geoff'
> > > Cc: 'Richard Hoskins'
> > > Subject: Re: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> > >
> > > G'day Darryl,
> > >
> > > There's currently no MX records for aprs.net.au ?
> > >
> > > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > > ;aprs.net.au. IN MX
> > >
> > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > > aprs.net.au. 8640 IN SOA box3n.gumbynet.org.
> > > darryl.radio-active.net.au. 2860754820 10800 3600 60480 8640
> > >
> > > AHHH, look in your hosts file, you'll see you've actually got the MX
> > > entry on localhost.aprs.net.au - if you dont have a hostname before
> > > an IN entry, it uses the last one entered.. - so either move the MX
> > > back up below the SOA record, or put an @ at the start of the MX
> > > line :)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Damien
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darryl Smith" <Darryl at radio-active.net.au>
> > > To: "'Geoff'" <ggatward at iinet.net.au>
> > > Cc: "'Damien Gardner'" <rendrag at rendrag.net>; "'Richard Hoskins'"
> > > <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:02 AM
> > > Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> > >
> > > > Can someone have a look at the DNS entries for APRS.NET.AU
> > > >
> > > > The MX domain should send email to radio-active.net.au but it is
not
> > > working
> > > > for this guy... Well, he got the email wrong, but ignore that...
> > > >
> > > > Darryl
> > > >
> > > > Message from yahoo.com.
> > > > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
> > > >
> > > > <ui-view at aprs.net.au>:
> > > > 203.220.0.74 does not like recipient.
> > > > Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 <ui-view at aprs.net.au>... Relaying
denied
> > > > Giving up on 203.220.0.74.
> > > >
> > > > --- Original message follows.
> > > >
> > > > Return-Path: <poida_3429 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Message-ID: <20040819004013.4963.qmail at web12404.mail.yahoo.com>
> > > > Received: from [138.194.37.102] by web12404.mail.yahoo.com via
HTTP;
> > > > Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:40:13 PDT
> > > > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > From: Peter Watkins <poida_3429 at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: ui-view at aprs.net.au
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia
> > > > Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International]
> > > > www.radio-active.net.au\blog\ -
www.radio-active.net.au\web\tracking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geoff [mailto:ggatward at iinet.net.au]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 8:02 AM
> > > > To: Darryl Smith
> > > > Cc: 'Damien Gardner'; 'Richard Hoskins'
> > > > Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> > > >
> > > > Darryl,
> > > >
> > > > Not quite right....
> > > > Looks like you swapped third.aprs.net and all the web pages
> > > > (vk2.aprs.net.au, www.aprs.net etc)
> > > >
> > > > Could you please check:
> > > >
> > > > aprs.net.au should now be 203.220.0.74
> > > > third.aprs.net.au should now be 203.17.15.167
> > > > *.aprs.net.au should still be 203.194.26.237
> > > >
> > > > Currenly aprs.net.au resolves to its original address
(203.17.15.167)
> > > > and third.aprs.net.au resolves to the aprs web server
(203.194.26.237)
> > > > The web pages all now resolve to third.aprs.net.au address
> > (203.220.0.74)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > From: "Darryl Smith" <Darryl at radio-active.net.au>
> > > > To: "'Geoff'" <ggatward at iinet.net.au>
> > > > Cc: "'Damien Gardner'" <rendrag at rendrag.net>, "'Richard Hoskins'"
> > > > <vk3jfk at amsat.org>
> > > > Sent: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:27:10 +1000
> > > > Subject: RE: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> > > >
> > > > > Done
> > > > >
> > > > > Darryl
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------
> > > > > Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia
> > > > > Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International]
> > > > > www.radio-active.net.au\blog\ - www.radio-
active.net.au\web\tracking
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geoff [mailto:ggatward at iinet.net.au]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 5:23 PM
> > > > > To: Darryl Smith
> > > > > Cc: Damien Gardner; Richard Hoskins
> > > > > Subject: aprs.net.au DNS swapover
> > > > >
> > > > > Darryl,
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you please swap the addresses of aprs.net.au and
> > > > > third.aprs.net.au in the DNS?
> > > > > (i.e. THIRD will become 203.17.15.167 and FIRST will become
> > > > > 203.220.0.74)
> > > > >
> > > > > We will be pulling out the box that is currently aprs.net.au for
an
> > > > overhaul
> > > > >
> > > > > (final effort to find the bloody problem!), and the current
'third'
> > > > > box has been behaving as it should, so its ready to take over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > >
> > > >
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