[OZAPRS] Re: Foundation calls gentle reminder

[Mike Zwingl oe3mzc]

just a quick input from an outsider (European):
we have recently abolished ALL LIMITATIONS ON MODES in amateur radio 
legislation here.

So entry-level liceces are just limited in frequency bands and power
and they are not supposed to build a transmitter on their own,
but beside this, every area for experiments is open to them.

This is not just a toppic for Enty Level Licence, by the way.
We have got rid of all legal definitions about different MODES (CW, SSB, 
ATV, RTTY, PACKET,FM, OFDM, GMSK, PSK, WSJT, etc..)
and replaced them just by bandwidth limits according to the band.

This is because we wanted to protect the EXPERIMENTAL character of amateur 
radio service..
73 de Mike
oe3mzc

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Wells" <vk2tv at exemail.com.au>
To: <kim at hawtin.net.au>; "Australian APRS Users" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] Re: Foundation calls gentle reminder


> Kim,
>
> If you want help to upgrade your licence there are better ways to go about 
> it than complaining here that you're poorly done by. Try asking!
>
> The Foundation licence was introduced as a stepping stone to get people 
> involved in amateur radio at a VERY basic level, and it has achieved that 
> objective quite well, and to the satisfaction of hundreds of foundation 
> licencees. If you think you should be able to drive heavy articulated 
> vehicles when you only have a learner's permit, lobby your local 
> politician.
>
> Kim Hawtin wrote:
>> Afternoon all,
>>
>> Garry VK2UNI wrote:
>>
>>> This link might be of assistance
>>>
>>> http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/CC456ED0C4803869CA2573F4001B9F93?OpenDocument
>>>
>>
>> So the irony is that you can do more on the CB data channels without a 
>> license than you can do under the amateur foundation license.
>>
> Then perhaps you'd be happier go there?
>> Page 19 outlines the restrictions, but is unclear on reception? ;
>> "27A     Restrictions on operation of an amateur foundation station
>> ...
>>     (2) The licensee of an amateur licence (amateur foundation station) 
>> must not
>>         operate an amateur station using automatic mode or computer 
>> controlled
>>         mode."
>>
>
> Nothing unclear about that, if you take into consideration the entire 
> document, and not just isolated bits.
>> There is some contradiction in the aforementioned document about being 
>> able to use a digital
>> means, but not in a computer controlled way;
>>
>> Page 26;
>> "Signal modulating the main carrier is a single channel containing 
>> quantized or digital
>>  information without the use of a modulating sub carrier"
>>
>> One could assume this means CW?
>>
>
> That's exactly what it could mean. Given that binary information has two 
> levels, on or off, CW is a form od binary information, carrier on, carrier 
> of. Look up the definition of quantise (or quantize) in the Macquarie.
>> Looks like this forbids the amateur foundation license of beacons and 
>> iambic keyers too =(
>> Or in fact, most modern radios. Yes anything with an LCD. Digital tuners 
>> too perhaps?
>> So any handheld? Where do you draw the line... ?
>>
>>
> You draw the line at not being ridiculous and not trying to introduce red 
> herrings into your arguement. The LCD has nothing to do with the 
> construction of the equipment, it's about the MODES you are permitted to 
> use and the way you can'can't use them.
>> It seems to me that the foundation license is aimed to introduce younger 
>> folk into Amateur Radio,
>> in part this works. Once, however, you actually figure out what you are 
>> allowed to used, its
>> only voice/phone/telephony.
>>
> That's correct and it suits the majority of Foundation Licencees. More 
> modes means more study and that defeats the simplicity of the licence 
> although, to some, the study is already seriously difficult.
>> Its been a digital age for a long time now. Has been since I was a kid 30 
>> years ago, I've used
>> computers in some form or another, along with a plethora of digital 
>> communications to go with.
>>
> And the vast majority of amateur communications is analogue. Digital modes 
> are still a small percentage of amateur operations.
>> Its seems odd to me that there is no provision at all for any kind of 
>> digital modes in the
>> foundation license...
>>
> That's correct and it was structured that way to keep it easy to get the 
> licence.
>> I've been licensed only for a year, and sure I am studying up for a 
>> Standard license, but
>> other foundation licensed folks I know have given it away in that time, 
>> because they can do
>> more in ISM bands, cheaper with less effort, with out a license. It takes 
>> a lot of patience
>> to find out all the info about whats actually going on. Perhaps the most 
>> frustrating thing
>> is that most amateurs don't know what foundation licensed amateurs can 
>> and can't do under
>> the terms.
>>
>>
> Good on you for studying, that's how you'll get digital privileges. If you 
> think you can do more in the ISM bands perhaps you'dbe happier there. Many 
> people would disagree with you, however. Just the consider the number of 
> bands that are available, even to Foundation Licencees - there's really 
> only one for CB - 27MHz. UHF CB is not an ISM band). ISM - Industrial, 
> Scientific & Medical.
>
> Of course it takes patience, don't you think we know that. Do you think 
> you're the first licencee that wants more privileges than the licence 
> permits? Most of us started somewhere down the ladder and worked our way 
> up. You just have to have the determination to get where you want to go.
>
> And how many amateurs have you asked about their knowledge of the 
> Foundation Licence. Given that there is now about 18,000 licencees in 
> Australia, your use of the word "most" would suggest you've asked at least 
> 9,000. You haven't asked me.
>
>> I'm not suggesting any folks on this list need to do anything about this, 
>> except perhaps
>> some encouragement and support for foundation licensed amateurs to move 
>> on up to standard
>> licenses...
>>
> You'll get help if you ask.
>> I started this journey because I wanted to work on packet, low power 
>> mobile gear and build
>> my own gear. One out of three... =) More study... I'll get there, I'm 
>> sure.
>> Just a shame to loose a lot of bright young folks along the way.
>>
> That's fine but you have to work within the framework.
>
> If we lose "bright young folks" because they're required to study, perhaps 
> they were heading down ther wrong track anyway.
>
> Let's see, I got great results in first class at school, so where's my 
> University Degree!
>> cheers,
>>
>> Kim VK5FNET
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> Kim, just ask for help. You might be pleasantly surprised with what you 
> get.
>
> Ray vk2tv
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