[OZAPRS] Digipeater Overlays in OZ
Peter VK1NFI
vk1nfi at netspace.net.au
Fri Feb 9 19:08:22 EST 2007
Here in the SENSW network, we are running the new paradigm, and all our
digipeaters are using 'S' for the overlay.
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> While on the subject.. What sort of overlay do you suggest
>> for a Ui-Digi that is capable of both old and new Paradigms ?
>> That is to say it still works with WIDE RELAY and has ZONE
>> or Section digipeating enabled but has no TRACE capability
>> at all ..
>>
>
> Thanks Tony,
> I'd suggest giving it an "S" overlay, but then since all
> digipeaers are supposed to include their capabilities in their
> Beacon text, then I'd be sure to put it in this way:
>
> W3,SSn,W,R. But you insert the correct W@, or W3 for what is
> receommended in that area, and change "SS" to whatever is your
> local state, region or zone. They are not limited to just two
> bytes either, though that is what we use up here)..
>
> Thanks
> Bob, WB4APR.
>
> I found a page of yours with
>
>> overlays suggested
>>
>>> but theres no overlay for this situation.
>>>
>>> Tony Hunt VK5AH wavetel at internode.on.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
>>> To: "'Tony Hunt'" <wavetel at internode.on.net>; "'VK / ZL APRS
>>>
> Users'"
>
>>> <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:55 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF (Robert Bruninga)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regarding the HF path recommendation of VIA GATE,WIDE1-1:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With the greatest of respect Bob I gotta say your a bit
>>>>> off beam here if not misleading. Telling us what to do
>>>>> from over your way is way off sometimes. The New
>>>>> paradigm isnt implenented here as yet and saying things
>>>>>
> like.
>
>>>>>> "(it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but the WIDE part
>>>>>> of that is now obsolete and will not work)."
>>>>>>
>>>>> Just isnt true.. Recomending anything with WIDE1-1 isnt
>>>>> allways guaranteed to get very far either
>>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that your area is a WIDE-only network that
>>>>
> does
>
>>>> not even support WIDEn-N? WIDE1-1 works everywhere
>>>>
> independent
>
>>>> of whether New-N has been implemented or not, as long as
>>>>
> WIDEn-N
>
>>>> works. WIDEn-N has been implemented since 1998 or so...
>>>>
> WIDE1-1
>
>>>> is just a WIDEn-N with N=1. If there are still some
>>>>
> WIDE-only
>
>>>> locations that do not support WIDEn-N at all, then I think
>>>>
> it is
>
>>>> probably time for those networks to consider the factor of
>>>>
> 2 to
>
>>>> 4 times QRM reduction available in WIDEn-N networks.
>>>>
>>>> The New-N Paradigm, is simply a recommended set of
>>>>
> settings for
>
>>>> WIDEn-N networks to optimize their operations. But even
>>>>
> if not
>
>>>> implementd, WIDEn-N still works in those areas and so will
>>>> WIDE1-1. Even if 10% of the world is still WIDE-only,
>>>>
> then
>
>>>> using WIDE1-1 will still give you a 90% better chance of
>>>>
> being
>
>>>> heard than a WIDE-only packet if you propogate into those
>>>>
> other
>
>>>> coutries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That might all work nice for you but are we really
>>>>>
> expecting
>
>>>>> the Ionosphere to work that well that we can make
>>>>>
> regular use
>
>>>>> of your HF gates over there??
>>>>>
>>>> Most of the APRS world, not just the USA supports WIDEn-N
>>>> digipeating (hence WIDE1-1).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe for the best solution to the question in VK land
>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>> a look at this web page which isnt all that dated.
>>>>> http://www.aprs.net.au/hf_aprs_information.htm
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I get a dead link when I try that from here..
>>>>
>>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:39:58 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tried several HF path variations like GATE,
>>>>>>> WIDE and did not make it to www.findu.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the correct path statement that should be
>>>>>>>
> used?
>
>>>>>> The path that has always been recommended since we
>>>>>>
> first
>
>>>>>> began HF APRS on that freequency back in 1993, that
>>>>>>
> is,
>
>>>>>> VIA GATE,WIDE1-1. (it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but
>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>> WIDE part of that is now obsolete and will not work).
>>>>>> See the original HF.TXT file. See the web page:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/gates.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do not use ECHO. The page explained above tells
>>>>>>
> why...
>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob, Wb4APR
>>>>>>
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