[OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting +confusion....

Fri Nov 3 14:09:00 EST 2006

Yes Chris, but wasn't that the stuff at the top, not the bottom.  Give you
the
VK0 though!
Cheers

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From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
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Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 14:01
To: 'VK / ZL APRS Users'
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....

Hi Roger,

I didn't forget _everything_ south of Bass Strait...  a lot of ice covered
territory got a mention!

Regards,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
Behalf
Of vk7arn
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 10:57 AM
To: 'VK / ZL APRS Users'
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....

The subliminal aversion to anything south of Bass Strait was noted.  Don't
worry
about it Chris.  It's a problem suffered by over 50% of those living north
of
the Strait.

Great to see the discussion heading in the right direction though!

Roger vk7arn

-----Original Message-----
From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
Behalf
Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 11:43
To: 'VK / ZL APRS Users'
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....

Hi Dion,

Eek, I made two mistakes!  I accidentally left "TAS-3" out (between "WA-3"
and
"NT-3"), and of course "Arctic" should be "Antarctic".

Sorry about that...  I'm blaming insufficient caffeine levels, at this
stage...

Regards,

Chris
vk6kch

-----Original Message-----
From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
Behalf
Of Dion Bramich
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 8:36 AM
To: VK / ZL APRS Users
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
+confusion....

Thats a good idea, indeed.  They'd both function the same ofcourse, just  
that the first set has more consistency with it, therefore less  
confusion?  I could go along with that..

Dion.

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:28:56 +1100, Chris Hill  
<chris.hill at crhtelnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Dion and all,
>
> Why not make the state-based zoning naming convention be based on the
> VK call areas?  In other words, there would be ten choices:
>
> VK0-3
> VK1-3
> VK2-3
> VK3-3
> VK4-3
> VK5-3
> VK6-3
> VK7-3
> VK8-3
> VK9-3
>
> (Of course, we wouldn't expect to see much use of VK0-3 and VK9-3!)
>
> The alternative is that we move away from "VK" call areas, and use
> state abbreviations, which would give us a mix of two and three letter 
> aliases:
>
> ARC-3
> ACT-3
> NSW-3
> VIC-3
> QLD-3
> SA-3
> WA-3
> NT-3
> ISL-3
>
> (Where "ARC" is short for Arctic Territories, and "ISL" is for the VK9 
> call areas).
>
> Personally, I prefer the use of the first set of ten options...  any
> comments?
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Chris
> vk6kch
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au]
> On Behalf Of Dion Bramich
> Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 7:45 AM
> To: bruninga at usna.edu; VK / ZL APRS Users
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] European v USnewparadigmand pathlimiting
> +confusion....
>
> My situation is just that, I'm in the NW of the state. To get to the 
> other end, SE, I need 3 hops.  When the inversion is on, 3 hops will 
> probably get me into NSW also, but I dont want/need to be seen there.  
> With
> TAS3-3,
> I can flood Tasmania and the Victorians will see nothing of me on their
> digis via RF.  However without state or zone based routing, I havent got
> that ability..  It's just so simple, it cant not be a good thing!
>
> I wouldnt like to see Tasmania 'zoned'.  We dont need to, theres not
> so many operators that it needs to be done, and with TAS3-3 we can be 
> mobile anywhere in the state and still be seen at home with no 
> igating, ideally. My view of the ultimate network in Tasmania is one 
> in which everything happens on RF, no gating from internet to RF apart 
> from a select few of interstate stations that locals are interested in 
> here.  If ever local traffic did increase substantially, we could 
> split the state in half with NTASn-N and STASn-N, but I dont envisage 
> any problems in the foreseeable future.
>
> However, whats suitable for other larger states needs to be looked at.
> I guess were lucky in that we dont have a huge number of operators that
> need
> to cooperate, changing stuff around is a breeze, and through doing that
> we've realised that state based routing is the go.
>
> Dion.
>
>
> On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:21:07 +1100, Robert Bruninga
> <bruninga at usna.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>> > Zone or state based routing needs to be implemented,
>>> > it should be mandatory.
>>
>> At the digis, yes, but to the users, it is just an option depending
>> on their immediate comunications requirement.
>>
>> I think what he means is that it should be implemented at the
>> digipeaters so that it is available for those who need it or want to 
>> participate in a "regional" net or event without QRMing surrounding 
>> areas too.  The classic example is someone who lives on the far edge 
>> of a "state" and wants to send his APRS traffic to a state net.  But 
>> it takes him 5 hops to hit all the participants in that state net.  
>> ("Net" here is a special say, one-hour net for a stated purpose of 
>> limited duration and participants)...  If he used WIDE5-5, he would 
>> saturate all surrounding digipeaters in all directions out 5 hops 
>> hitting maybe 50 digis.  But if he used STATE5-5, then his packets 
>> would only go to the few digis in his state and no farther.
>>
>>> We are using it here, its excellent.  There
>>> will be no near border confsuion, it'll solve problems.
>>
>> For border areas that want routine all direction operation, they
>> simply continue to use WIDEn-N.  But the border folks have the added 
>> option of targeting a give direction too, which can only be seen as 
>> an advantage...
>>
>> Just 2 cents worth.
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
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