<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">Marcus, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">My personal thoughts, in random order:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- You can do PACTOR-4 in Australia and get away with it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- Which means to me that any obfuscated/funny protocol seems to be ignored by the Regulator, but if you are not a sociopath you'll transmit your callsign at the same frequency and from the same location every now and then.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- Callsigns are useful to identify the source of transmissions in case of interference, so the Regulator can have your LOCATION easily.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- There are $5 modules on ebay where you can record-replay a 8-second voice snippet. It can contain your voice or CW tones.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- Most people just mumble their callsigns very fast without using any sort of meaningful phonetic alphabet, in practical terms that makes them unidentifiable to the Regulator, who could not care less (they do care when there is a serious interference issue).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- You can have a radio "A" for APRS and a radio "B" to broadcast your callsign every now and then. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">- If callsigns of the form 1F, 2F, 3F... are not allocated by ITU, I see not problem with <a href="http://aprs.fi">aprs.fi</a> propagating them. What <a href="http://aprs.fi">aprs.fi</a> does in Finland is probably out of the list of concerns to the Regulator. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">So, essentially, I don't see any problem because everybody knows who is 3FJTS and can be easily tracked down in case of problems. By the way, he's carrying a GPS and telling the Regulator about his whereabouts ;-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">If there was a crackdown on people not identifying themselves correctly (look at how careful the Indonesians are when giving their callsigns, that does not happen by accident) or if the Regulator was prosecuting people for operating PACTOR-4 in amateur bands, then my perception would be very different. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">These are just my thoughts, everybody will have their own. Not trying to convince people about the Earth being flat. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">73, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000">Carlos VK1EA</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:07 PM Marcus B <<a href="mailto:mrmabs@gmail.com">mrmabs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hey all (and I know VK3FJTS is here as well),</div><div><br></div><div>I noticed an interesting solution to the foundation call and AX.25 issue, and I'm also keeping in mind the discussions about odd callsigns breaking all kinds of things back in the DPRS days. And I have not seen discussion on this topic really anywhere, other than "no, it's not possible, it's the way it is; wait until they fix the callsigns".<br></div><div><br></div><div>Firstly I did a search of the group and found Jack (3FJTS) discussing the inability to put a 7 character callsign into his radio, that is a limitation of the AX.25 protocol written in the 1970's where the main part of the callsign can only be 6 characters, no exceptions sadly. After that the number is a 4-bit number that's only 0 to 15. Any change to update the protocol would likely break a lot of (meaning all) equipment from the past 40 years. There are better & longer explanations in the history of this group.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So, back to the story, on my HT, going through Victoria today, I saw "3FJTS" on my screen, firstly I had a double take (what country was 3F?!), and I thought that was a neat solution, and I'm pretty sure, as the VK can be inferred in Australia, it should be legal, as long as we all recognise that "3FJTS" == "VK3FJTS". The identification is not being hidden and logical, and the full callsign is in the comment.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But what about being fed into APRS IS? I've never been an admin or really been involved with the infrastructure, is this fine to propagate? <br></div><div><br></div><div>If so, could this be pushed out as a solution for foundation licencees that would allow many of them to take full advantage of their radios. This would also be a great solution for using packet as well. I happy to promote this wider, talking to the WIA, etc...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh, and anyone that doesn't agree, please be tactful and factual with your responses, this is not about bashing, it's about enabling. Unless its about the decision to create 7-letter calls, then I totally agree :P<br></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#000000">73,</font></div><div><font color="#000000">vk3tst / vk5wtf<br></font></div></div>
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