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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Yes so did I with locals on 2m lots of fun, bit hit and miss..</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, 16 October 2017 3:54 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian APRS Users</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [OZAPRS] (no subject)</p>
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<div>Completely off topic</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">My grandad a ham used to swap programs over air from c64 tapes <br>
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On 16 Oct 2017, at 2:49 pm, vk2tv <<a href="mailto:vk2tv@exemail.com.au">vk2tv@exemail.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Being on the mid north coast of NSW has isolated me from much of what used to happen with Rose/Netrom networks, and since I retired my FBB BBS (6 radio ports plus axudp to a number of overseas stations) about seven
years back I've lost pretty much all contact.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Sydney was predominantly Rose, as was the north coast and the New England (Armidale/Glen Innes/etc) but Netrom did persist in other areas of the state. The Rose network backbone in VK2 fell apart when the state
government declared that all users of its real estate would pay commercial rental rates (a figure of $5,000 PA was mentioned), and that led to the closure of a major hub in Newcastle that was housed at an Electricity Commission (then) site. AAPRA (Australian
Amateur Packet Radio Association) hung in there for a while but eventually it succumbed to the declining interest in packet, and the organisation wound up. Prior to the closure of the Newcastle hub some ground had been covered establishing 4k8 inter-node links
on dedicated RF pairs to replace the 440.050 1k2 half-duplex links that were choked with traffic. But even at that point in time interest in packet was declining rapidly and its future was pretty much set in stone.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Both Netrom and Rose networking had their followers but you're right, Matthew, there wasn't a clear winner.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I'd like to see a resurgence in packet but for my area, Kempsey, I'd be a network of one station!</font><br>
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BTW Glen, I was a member of the Central Coast ARC back around 1983 when fellow member John Tanner, VK2ZXQ introduced us to packet, and the club bought a Vancouver TNC prior to the short-lived bun fight over Vancouver protocol vs TAPR.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/10/17 14:52, Glen English VK1XX wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Matthew, thanks for the history info.
and Andrew- you clearly can do some very good smart work, and you are
obviously well capable in your field of interest and useful to the
community, but those sort of useless comments are not becoming
behaviour of someone who has the ability to be a technical
innovator/leader.
On 16/10/2017 2:31 PM, Matthew Cook wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Glen,
Can only speak for VK5 communities...
1) 7575 still exists in isolated communities... 5175 won out over the
majority in the cities...
2) Relevance of packet slowly dwindled, WIA was nationalised, Packet
User Groups died, equipment pulled out by repeater maintainers; APRS
all that is left of AX25
3) Very little connected mode, I believe we are down to one BBS being
privately run
4) Backbones pulled out years ago
VK5 was heavily into ROSE networking and once upon a time you could
route from Adelaide through to regional areas over 4800bps ROSE packet
networks. None of that exists (to my knowledge)... very few if any
would remember those networks.
I am told that much of the routing between packet BBS's is now via
AX25 encapulation over UDP networks established between BBS's. One
of our club members has built a FBB BBS and is the last connected mode
packet service on air here in VK5.
The wars between ROSE and NETROM died once relevance of packet
dwindled, I don't think there was ever a clear winner.
73
Matthew
VK5ZM
On 16 October 2017 at 07:24, Glen English VK1XX
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:glenlist@pacificmedia.com.au">glenlist@pacificmedia.com.au</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:glenlist@pacificmedia.com.au"><mailto:glenlist@pacificmedia.com.au></a>>
wrote:
OK, so who here is the technical supremo that can for me, without
guessing :
1) fill me in on a few questions I have of what has happened the
past 30
years in packet
- what happened to the 7575 frequency ?
- what happened to ROSE and net/rom ? are there any of those
gateways ?
- is there much connected mode traffic these days ?
- what happened to the 4800/9600 backbones?
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