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"My opinion"....
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I'd suggest "well almost". Unfortunely, I consider this is
complicated by the fact that an F-call is permitted to use VoIP
based technologies (i.e. echolink and IRLP) under their licence
conditions (now this can not be descirbed by the usual emission
characteristics and IS identified by their F-callsigns). Now, if it
were only IRLP and they weren't the licence holder of the IRLP
repeater - things would be clear, but allowing echolink where the
conversation can be initiated without a radio (i.e. computer
generated) and yet be received 'off the air' at the other end does,
in my opinion, cloud the issue. To the best of my understanding,
there is nothing that prevents a foundation licence holder from
generating an IP packet, transmitting this via their ISP connection
to the APRS server and having it appear on the APRS network
(initially the IP network) - the f-call has at this point not
created 'any RF on the hams bands' to even 'invoke' their licence
conditions. The party 'gating' this to RF is licenced to operate
computer connected modes and therefore would not be in breach of
their conditions. That said, it is also my understanding the there
was something in the 'gating' software that prevented F-Calls for
getting back out into RF land. (thought I saw it in this forum being
discussed a couple of months ago). All that said - I tell every
F-call I know (teach and assess) that they can't operate 'data
modes' and that includes APRS (at least until the issue is
categorically resolved).<br>
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As I started by saying - this was once clear and is now somewhat a
murky area.
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Regards,
<br>
<br>
Cameron (VK2CKP)
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On 5/10/2010 2:41 PM, Paul wrote:
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<div>Hi All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Just a thought but, </div>
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<div>Anyone can connect to a public internet aprs site and can
use any name they choose to identify themselves, after all the
internet is public domain and sites such as aprs.fi are
available for everyone in general to use, eg just look at all of
the commecial shipping etc that you can see on there. So no
arguments there, but ..... </div>
<div> </div>
<div>When a station uses their own personal VK amateur radio
foundation licence callsign, they ARE advertising themselves as
a VK amateur radio foundation station. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The thought here, is this, firstly a non-VK amateur seeing a
VK amateur callsign will naturally assume the ststion is allowed
to use aprs, and this leads to problems with the second point,
as already highlighted by Richard and Ray. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If a number of F calls were broadcasting using their ham f
call callsign by whatever method onto a website and their
stations were then being gated back to RF, and if the amateur
responsible for an Igate is also responsible for ensuring that
an F call's callsign is not gated from the internet through to
RF (keep in mind how difficult it would be to try to keep track
of all the callsigns that can or can not use aprs, from every
country worldwide not just VK), then following this train of
thought, wouldn't the only option available, to every Igate
operator world wide, be to turn all the Igates off ,
........what would we have then?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Paul, vk5vhf</div>
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228); font: 10pt arial;"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="sharpst@gmail.com"
href="mailto:sharpst@gmail.com">Steve Sharp</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="ozaprs@aprs.net.au"
href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian APRS Users</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 04,
2010 8:55 AM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OZAPRS] APRS
with Foundation license</div>
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<div>Seeking opinions on this scenario.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Foundation licence holder installs APRS app on their Iphone
- this will allow them to track, beacon and message into the
APRS network.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Or, they install Xastir or a similar on a PC without any
radio attached.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Would either of these breech the LCD's pertaining to a
Foundation licence?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Steve VK2POO<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Andrew
Macmichael <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bajdas@yahoo.com.au">bajdas@yahoo.com.au</a>></span>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I am receiving different opinions to the following
question and I would appreciate your opinion please.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1/ Can Amateur Foundation license holders buy,
install and operate APRS for position reporting ?</div>
<div>2/ What frequencies can we, or cannot use ?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I suspect Foundation licenses can use 2m APRS
frequencies, but we cannot build the equipment. Thus
the confusion.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andrew Macmichael</div>
<div>VK5FMAC</div>
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