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Cameron,<br>
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It's not as complicated as you would have us believe. It's simple,
really.<br>
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There is nothing to stop the Fxxx licensee generating IP packets.<br>
<br>
What there is, however is a prohibition on using "an amateur station
using automatic mode or computer controlled". VoIP is not computer
controlled, it is operator controlled, using a computer and, it is not
automatic.<br>
<br>
The LDC goes on to list modes a Fxxx licensee is permitted use, in
schedule 3A. Data is not included and, the ACMA considers packet and
aprs to be data as per their mode description on every packet and aprs
repeater licence. <br>
<br>
I still believe that some higher authority should provide a definitive
answer, even though I believe the LCD is quite clear.<br>
<br>
This has the Hallmark of sponsorship versus advertising as applied to
community radio stations. The ACMA even went as far as issuing
guidelines, guidelines they will apply on a case by case basis, leaving
licensees completely up in the air as to what they can or can't do.<br>
<br>
Listen to the WIA broadcast on community radio station TankFM in
Kempsey, 103.1FM, at 6.20am each Sunday. Also streaming to the Internet
via a 160kb/s stream available at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tankfm.org">www.tankfm.org</a> and follow the links.<br>
<br>
Ray vk2tv<br>
<br>
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On 05/10/10 17:02, Cameron McKay wrote:
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"My opinion".... <br>
I'd suggest "well almost". Unfortunely, I consider this is complicated
by the fact that an F-call is permitted to use VoIP based technologies
(i.e. echolink and IRLP) under their licence conditions (now this can
not be descirbed by the usual emission characteristics and IS
identified by their F-callsigns). Now, if it were only IRLP and they
weren't the licence holder of the IRLP repeater - things would be
clear, but allowing echolink where the conversation can be initiated
without a radio (i.e. computer generated) and yet be received 'off the
air' at the other end does, in my opinion, cloud the issue. To the best
of my understanding, there is nothing that prevents a foundation
licence holder from generating an IP packet, transmitting this via
their ISP connection to the APRS server and having it appear on the
APRS network (initially the IP network) - the f-call has at this point
not created 'any RF on the hams bands' to even 'invoke' their licence
conditions. The party 'gating' this to RF is licenced to operate
computer connected modes and therefore would not be in breach of their
conditions. That said, it is also my understanding the there was
something in the 'gating' software that prevented F-Calls for getting
back out into RF land. (thought I saw it in this forum being discussed
a couple of months ago). All that said - I tell every F-call I know
(teach and assess) that they can't operate 'data modes' and that
includes APRS (at least until the issue is categorically resolved).<br>
<br>
As I started by saying - this was once clear and is now somewhat a
murky area. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
Cameron (VK2CKP) <br>
<br>
On 5/10/2010 2:41 PM, Paul wrote:
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<div>Hi All,</div>
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<div>Just a thought but, </div>
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<div>Anyone can connect to a public internet aprs site and can
use any name they choose to identify themselves, after all the internet
is public domain and sites such as aprs.fi are available for everyone
in general to use, eg just look at all of the commecial shipping etc
that you can see on there. So no arguments there, but ..... </div>
<div> </div>
<div>When a station uses their own personal VK amateur radio
foundation licence callsign, they ARE advertising themselves as a VK
amateur radio foundation station. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The thought here, is this, firstly a non-VK amateur seeing a
VK amateur callsign will naturally assume the ststion is allowed to use
aprs, and this leads to problems with the second point, as
already highlighted by Richard and Ray. </div>
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<div>If a number of F calls were broadcasting using their ham f
call callsign by whatever method onto a website and their stations were
then being gated back to RF, and if the amateur responsible for an
Igate is also responsible for ensuring that an F call's callsign is not
gated from the internet through to RF (keep in mind how difficult it
would be to try to keep track of all the callsigns that can or can not
use aprs, from every country worldwide not just VK), then following
this train of thought, wouldn't the only option available, to every
Igate operator world wide, be to turn all the Igates off ,
........what would we have then?</div>
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<div>Paul, vk5vhf</div>
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Monday, October 04, 2010 8:55 AM</div>
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Re: [OZAPRS] APRS with Foundation license</div>
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<div>Seeking opinions on this scenario.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Foundation licence holder installs APRS app on their Iphone
- this will allow them to track, beacon and message into the APRS
network.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Or, they install Xastir or a similar on a PC without any
radio attached.</div>
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<div>Would either of these breech the LCD's pertaining to a
Foundation licence?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Steve VK2POO<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Andrew
Macmichael <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I am receiving different opinions to the following
question and I would appreciate your opinion please.</div>
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<div>1/ Can Amateur Foundation license holders buy, install and
operate APRS for position reporting ?</div>
<div>2/ What frequencies can we, or cannot use ?</div>
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<div>I suspect Foundation licenses can use 2m APRS frequencies,
but we cannot build the equipment. Thus the confusion.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andrew Macmichael</div>
<div>VK5FMAC</div>
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