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Paul,<br>
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If we're talking about the aprs-is the connection requires a callsign
and a passcode, specific to that callsign to be able to upload data,
it's not open slather.<br>
<br>
This raises an interesting thought. If a foundation licencee gives
his/her callsign in order to obtain a passcode so they can access the
aprs-is, how can they then pretend they are not an amateur station when
accessing that service by ANY means, including non-RF methods, to avoid
LCD limitations?<br>
<br>
If we consider the amateur "callsign" as an object, it still needs to
be uploaded by a validated amateur callsign.<br>
<br>
I don't see having to block every Foundation callsign from going to RF
as a serious issue because most gateway station put very little
internet traffic out on RF. There is simply too much traffic to even
contemplate this. However, if a local foundation licencee decided to
play aprs I would block that callsign on the local digi and my gateway
to protect my own licence and the digi licence, if the Fxxx operator
failed to heed friendly advice.<br>
<br>
We need to understand that the majority of Foundation Licencees are
doing the right thing and, operators like Andrew, VK5FMAC, are trying
to do the right thing by asking first. Thank you, Andrew.<br>
<br>
Putting things into perspective, there have been very few Fxxx
operators who have simply disregarded the LCD. It's no different to
when the Novice Licence was first introduced - some operators
disregarded the regs.<br>
<br>
Perhaps there is a training issue here and trainees should be advised
what data transmissions are and, highlight packet and aprs as data
modes. <br>
<br>
Education is the key.<br>
<br>
Ray vk2tv<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/10/10 14:41, Paul wrote:
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<div>Hi All,</div>
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<div>Just a thought but, </div>
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<div>Anyone can connect to a public internet aprs site and can
use any name they choose to identify themselves, after all the internet
is public domain and sites such as aprs.fi are available for everyone
in general to use, eg just look at all of the commecial shipping etc
that you can see on there. So no arguments there, but ..... </div>
<div> </div>
<div>When a station uses their own personal VK amateur radio
foundation licence callsign, they ARE advertising themselves as a VK
amateur radio foundation station. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The thought here, is this, firstly a non-VK amateur seeing a VK
amateur callsign will naturally assume the ststion is allowed to use
aprs, and this leads to problems with the second point, as
already highlighted by Richard and Ray. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If a number of F calls were broadcasting using their ham f call
callsign by whatever method onto a website and their stations were then
being gated back to RF, and if the amateur responsible for an Igate is
also responsible for ensuring that an F call's callsign is not gated
from the internet through to RF (keep in mind how difficult it would be
to try to keep track of all the callsigns that can or can not use aprs,
from every country worldwide not just VK), then following this train of
thought, wouldn't the only option available, to every Igate operator
world wide, be to turn all the Igates off , ........what
would we have then?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Paul, vk5vhf</div>
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Monday, October 04, 2010 8:55 AM</div>
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Re: [OZAPRS] APRS with Foundation license</div>
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<div>Seeking opinions on this scenario.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Foundation licence holder installs APRS app on their Iphone -
this will allow them to track, beacon and message into the APRS network.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Or, they install Xastir or a similar on a PC without any radio
attached.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Would either of these breech the LCD's pertaining to a
Foundation licence?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Steve VK2POO<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Andrew
Macmichael <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I am receiving different opinions to the following question
and I would appreciate your opinion please.</div>
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<div>1/ Can Amateur Foundation license holders buy, install and
operate APRS for position reporting ?</div>
<div>2/ What frequencies can we, or cannot use ?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I suspect Foundation licenses can use 2m APRS frequencies,
but we cannot build the equipment. Thus the confusion.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andrew Macmichael</div>
<div>VK5FMAC</div>
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