<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>third.aprs.net.au was just a temporary URL set up pointing
to one of the NZ servers whilst we were cutting over some stuff in VK –
it’s not supposed to exist at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If we (first, second and third) as part of the global Tier2
network implement the recommended setup for T2 servers, the ONLY port available
would be 14580, and all users need to define the filter they want manually….
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The reason for this is exactly as pointed out here – any
other port may have different settings between servers. As part of the
Tier2 network, we’re in a GLOBAL environment, so the only standard port
is 14580.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is another ocianea rotate URL aunz.aprs2.net
that consists of the following servers:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>T2APRSNZ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>T2AUST (first.aprs.net.au)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>T2NZAA (third.aprs.net.au)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>T2SYDNEY (second.aprs.net.au)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If we standardize the 14577, 14578 and 14579 ports on these four
servers then both the T2 URL and APRS.AU URL will work anywhere, however<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you can use 14580 and a custom filter, PLEASE DO SO…
this is the preferred connection method to ANY server globally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Geoff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
ozaprs-bounces@aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces@aprs.net.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony
Hunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OZ-APRS Mial-list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OZAPRS] Internet Servers in Oceania observations and
sugestions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Heres something for the Internet server operators to think
about. I notice some inconsistencies in the Port functions. Also Ive got some
sugestions for the Port settings in line with this.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Looking at Port 14577 . On First and Second
aprs.net.au this is a 100km radius filter. On Third aprs.net.au its a
200km filter. So if I use rotate.aprs.net.au:14577 then 2/3 of the time I get a
100km radius and 1/3 of the time I get a 200km filter.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I actually like the 200km idea. In VK5 particularly in
country areas 100km isnt a very long way and often does not get you to anywhere
significant or prove overly useful. 200km is more useful. We are looking at the
possibility of putting a remote Igate in the country area using something
simple managable and stable. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I realise we can use a custom filter on Port 14580 provided
the software we use lets us set up a filter. Which takes me to aprsd. I see
some folks are still using aprsd which is still being supported in a few
operating systems via software repositries. Its a simple no fuss Igate
solution. Not the greatest but its stable and tested. It wont do custom
filtered logins though.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>You can doctor the source code and make it do a custom
filtered login if you want to recompile it. Not overly easy for some and messy.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>So with all that heres my suggestion. Why not have a
standard 100km radius filtered port and also a standard 200km filtered
port on each of these servers ? If you want the rotate system to work sensibly
then some co-ordination between them would be good. Each of the sysops must
talk to each other in some way you would hope. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>It seems perhaps that there are different needs in different
areas as demonstrated by the 200km port on third.aprs.net.au.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>So lets cover some of these possibilities I say.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><br>
Tony Hunt VK5AH <a href="mailto:wavetel@internode.on.net">wavetel@internode.on.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>