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Being on the mid north coast of NSW has isolated me from much of what 
used to happen with Rose/Netrom networks, and since I retired my FBB BBS 
(6 radio ports plus axudp to a number of overseas stations) about seven 
years back I've lost pretty much all contact.

Sydney was predominantly Rose, as was the north coast and the New 
England (Armidale/Glen Innes/etc) but Netrom did persist in other areas 
of the state. The Rose network backbone in VK2 fell apart when the state 
government declared that all users of its real estate would pay 
commercial rental rates (a figure of $5,000 PA was mentioned), and that 
led to the closure of a major hub in Newcastle that was housed at an 
Electricity Commission (then) site. AAPRA (Australian Amateur Packet 
Radio Association) hung in there for a while but eventually it succumbed 
to the declining interest in packet, and the organisation wound up. 
Prior to the closure of the Newcastle hub some ground had been covered 
establishing 4k8 inter-node links on dedicated RF pairs to replace the 
440.050 1k2 half-duplex links that were choked with traffic. But even at 
that point in time interest in packet was declining rapidly and its 
future was pretty much set in stone.

Both Netrom and Rose networking had their followers but you're right, 
Matthew, there wasn't a clear winner.

I'd like to see a resurgence in packet but for my area, Kempsey, I'd be 
a network of one station!

BTW Glen, I was a member of the Central Coast ARC back around 1983 when 
fellow member John Tanner, VK2ZXQ introduced us to packet, and the club 
bought a Vancouver TNC prior to the short-lived bun fight over Vancouver 
protocol vs TAPR.

Ray vk2tv


On 16/10/17 14:52, Glen English VK1XX wrote:
> Hi Matthew, thanks  for the history info.
>
> and Andrew- you clearly can do some very good smart work, and you are
> obviously well capable in your field of interest and useful to the
> community,  but those sort of useless comments are not becoming
> behaviour  of someone who has the ability to be a technical
> innovator/leader.
>
>
> On 16/10/2017 2:31 PM, Matthew Cook wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Can only speak for VK5 communities...
>>
>> 1) 7575 still exists in isolated communities... 5175 won out over the
>> majority in the cities...
>> 2) Relevance of packet slowly dwindled, WIA was nationalised, Packet
>> User Groups died, equipment pulled out by repeater maintainers; APRS
>> all that is left of AX25
>> 3) Very little connected mode, I believe we are down to one BBS being
>> privately run
>> 4) Backbones pulled out years ago
>>
>> VK5 was heavily into ROSE networking and once upon a time you could
>> route from Adelaide through to regional areas over 4800bps ROSE packet
>> networks.   None of that exists (to my knowledge)... very few if any
>> would remember those networks.
>>
>> I am told that much of the routing between packet BBS's is now via
>> AX25 encapulation over UDP networks established between BBS's.   One
>> of our club members has built a FBB BBS and is the last connected mode
>> packet service on air here in VK5.
>>
>> The wars between ROSE and NETROM died once relevance of packet
>> dwindled, I don't think there was ever a clear winner.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Matthew
>> VK5ZM
>>
>> On 16 October 2017 at 07:24, Glen English VK1XX
>> <glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au <mailto:glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      OK, so who here is the technical supremo that can for me, without
>>      guessing :
>>
>>      1) fill me in on a few questions I have of what has happened the
>>      past 30
>>      years in packet
>>
>>      - what happened to the 7575 frequency ?
>>      - what happened to ROSE and net/rom ? are there any of those
>>      gateways ?
>>      - is there much connected mode traffic these days ?
>>      - what happened to the 4800/9600 backbones?
>>      -
>>
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