[OZAPRS] FT8 for HF APRS ?

Sat Dec 2 14:04:47 AEDT 2017

So whats the solution fellas 

I have been playing APRS up at 915 MHz 

Time to try DC 

Andrew 

From: OZAPRS [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On Behalf Of Murray Parnell
Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2017 12:04 PM
To: Australian APRS Users <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] FT8 for HF APRS ?

Hi Warren

There are no wspr igates that i am aware of.

I am not a software guy but the wspr decoding software by Joe Taylor is open source.

The wspr encoder from qrp labs would be ideal for aprs as it already has a GPS interface for location, timing and frequency reference. It would just need someone to change the firmware to encode in aprs format.

https://www.qrp-labs.com/ultimate3.html

I would be happy to host a wspr aprs igate if the software was available. 

How about it Glen ?

Murray

(VK2UMZ)

On 2 Dec 2017 10:48 AM, "Warren_Brown" <warbn at telstra.com <mailto:warbn at telstra.com> > wrote:

Interesting idea, but is there any APRS WSPR gates running?

Warren vk3byd

From: OZAPRS [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au <mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au> ] On Behalf Of Murray Parnell
Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2017 11:41
To: Australian APRS Users
Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] FT8 for HF APRS ?

Hi Glen

Read this 

http://aprs.org/aprs-wspr.html

Murray (VK2UMZ)

On 2 Dec 2017 9:54 AM, "Glen English VK1XX" <glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au <mailto:glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au> > wrote:

Hi Mark

Yeah no need to preserve AX25 frame precisely agreed, just need to be interface compatible.  I've got a few HF modems up my sleeve, most require *some* linearity in the PA, so maybe just move to nFSK /single tone this tends to be more tolerant to bad setup...especially when the aim is to share the nearby spectrum. With the single tone modes, if they are kept >1400Hz in the microphone input, the overdriving distortions usually don't get through the SSB filter...

And Andrew, most microcontrollers can execute reasonable modems these days, there is enough grunt, there is a blur between general purpose microcontrollers and dedicated DSPs. Where help is required is on the decode side for the FEC, especially with large frame sizes (which yields greater "coding gain") , For a signal sense mode, it only has to detect the presence of a signal, not fully decode it. For decoders, things like Odroids and other small linux boxes make excellent demods.

On 2/12/2017 10:51 AM, Mark Jessop wrote:

FT8, JT65 and similar are far too restrictive for something like HF APRS. They are quite specifically designed for making short QSOs, not for passing of arbitrary data (though is is possible, in a limited sense). Take a look at the JT65 spec and you will see what I mean.

The concept of a MFSK-based mode with *good* FEC is still a good one though, but you'd probably be better off either rolling your own or starting from something like THOR or Olivia.

Would the AX25 packet format still need to stay? If you could drop that it would give a lot more flexibility...

73
Mark VK5QI/VK4
(Currently SW of Longreach...)

On 2 Dec. 2017 08:15, "Glen English VK1XX" <glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au <mailto:glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au>  <mailto:glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au <mailto:glenlist at pacificmedia.com.au> >> wrote:

    I have my own low bit rate HF capable position/ aprs reporting
    modem etc but I was thinking at FT8, given the widespread use,
    would make a good replacement for FSK300 (which is dumb arse
    poorly suited with no FEC on HF), and that the decoders allow for
    multiple simultaneous overlapping transmissions in the same BW.

    doing a port for dire wolf would be fairly straightforward.

    glen Vk1XX

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