[OZAPRS] OZAPRS Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6

Wed Jan 8 06:14:28 EST 2014

Please do not take my comments as a complaint.

My post about our digi's in the north west was only to give an update of 
their status. Extra comments were given so that someone that does not 
know the size of Australia can get a feel of what its like to keep 
things going in the bush.

One other quick comment - our balloon (LOKI 2) and payload was found 
yesterday by a farm worker. Transport of our package has been arranged 
for pickup in Gunnedah today.

Enjoy
John
VK2YGV
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:39:49 +1100
> From: "Robert" <rbaker at bigpond.com>
> To: "'Australian APRS Users'" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
> Message-ID: <02ad01cf0ab2$7c043260$740c9720$@bigpond.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> May I ask, WHY, if one digi stops working, the world is going to stop. The
> guys that spend, take the time to put these digi in work hard to keep them
> working, as I am one of these guys, it a huge area. And yep, if you all went
> to HF, would be great for us, but trust me, the HF air waves would be
> saturated, and stop working.
>
> HF works great in the outback, lived in NT for over 10 years, but closer to
> the eastern sea board, VHF is the go, but it not easy fix, there are big
> areas, and travel time, nothing like the Metro areas, just remember that.
>
> Cheers
>
> Robert
> VK2KGV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> Behalf Of David
> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 5:52 PM
> To: Australian APRS Users
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>
> Hi Liz......there is a local guy here in Townsville who does a lot of 4WD
> tripping and carries a HF APRS system.
> you could try and contact him on    vk4mdx at wia.org.au
> im sure David will give you all the help he can
>
> David VK4BDJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 06/01/14 16:43, Liz wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:55:20 +1100
>> Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> Please understand I was not being critical, I really do understand
>>> the problems that distance can create, and gear does go down. My one
>>> regret is that I was unable to experience "normal" vhf aprs coverage
>>> in that part of the state because I think it would have been even
>>> more impressive than it already was.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ray vk2tv
>> I agree with Ray. APRS coverage on VHF is improving, but the more
>> sites we have, the more times we will have breakdowns.
>>
>> I, too, "need" HF APRS for some places I go which are out of reach of
>> all VHF repeaters, the mobile telephone systems etc.
>>
>> If I went the 30 metre route
>> what antenna? (mounting it is problem number 1) and what gear?
>>
>> Liz
>> VK2XSE
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:55:34 +1100
> From: Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au>
> To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
> Message-ID: <52CA6176.2090508 at exemail.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> David,
>
> You seem to have flown off at a bit of a tangent. Nobody has complained
> about any digi being missing and nobody has mentioned the world
> stopping. I asked the question if there was a problem with vk2rcc-1,
> having driven under its footprint and having not been seen. The answer I
> received was that the receiver appeared to be deaf. End of story, nobody
> jumped up and down, nobody accused anybody of anything. If anything
> there was appreciation of the work involved in keeping remote systems on
> air. I did say that coverage in those remote parts was good and would
> have been exceptional had rcc been working. Not a complaint, more a
> statement of praise for that system and it's potential.
>
> As for HF (read 30m) it is grossly below saturation level and I doubt
> that we'll ever reach saturation given the low number of users - now and
> future - and the difficulty in setting up a mobile rig/antenna, compared
> with vhf. BTW, HF works equally well in all areas of Australia - city or
> outback - due to the spread of gateways around Oz (I was one of them for
> many years and will be again soon.
>
> If I remember correctly you and I exchanged numerous emails a few years
> back regarding an FM828.
>
> Take heart mate, nobody was criticising.
>
> Regards
> Ray vk2tv
>
>
>
> On 06/01/14 18:39, Robert wrote:
>> May I ask, WHY, if one digi stops working, the world is going to stop. The
>> guys that spend, take the time to put these digi in work hard to keep them
>> working, as I am one of these guys, it a huge area. And yep, if you all went
>> to HF, would be great for us, but trust me, the HF air waves would be
>> saturated, and stop working.
>>
>> HF works great in the outback, lived in NT for over 10 years, but closer to
>> the eastern sea board, VHF is the go, but it not easy fix, there are big
>> areas, and travel time, nothing like the Metro areas, just remember that.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Robert
>> VK2KGV
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
>> Behalf Of David
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 5:52 PM
>> To: Australian APRS Users
>> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>>
>> Hi Liz......there is a local guy here in Townsville who does a lot of 4WD
>> tripping and carries a HF APRS system.
>> you could try and contact him on    vk4mdx at wia.org.au
>> im sure David will give you all the help he can
>>
>> David VK4BDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/14 16:43, Liz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:55:20 +1100
>>> Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand I was not being critical, I really do understand
>>>> the problems that distance can create, and gear does go down. My one
>>>> regret is that I was unable to experience "normal" vhf aprs coverage
>>>> in that part of the state because I think it would have been even
>>>> more impressive than it already was.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ray vk2tv
>>> I agree with Ray. APRS coverage on VHF is improving, but the more
>>> sites we have, the more times we will have breakdowns.
>>>
>>> I, too, "need" HF APRS for some places I go which are out of reach of
>>> all VHF repeaters, the mobile telephone systems etc.
>>>
>>> If I went the 30 metre route
>>> what antenna? (mounting it is problem number 1) and what gear?
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> VK2XSE
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:24:38 +1100
> From: "Robert" <rbaker at bigpond.com>
> To: "'Australian APRS Users'" <ozaprs at aprs.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
> Message-ID: <02b401cf0ab8$bf3426c0$3d9c7440$@bigpond.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Ok, Im sorry I caused problems
>
>
> Yep 828, in the back shed old ic-22s worked the treat, and no upgrading to
> Motorola, so will have some  828, both vhf and ufh, 814,  815 for sale.
>
> Again Sorry for been a pain.
>
> Robert
>
> VK2KGV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> Behalf Of Ray Wells
> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 6:56 PM
> To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>
> David,
>
> You seem to have flown off at a bit of a tangent. Nobody has complained
> about any digi being missing and nobody has mentioned the world stopping. I
> asked the question if there was a problem with vk2rcc-1, having driven under
> its footprint and having not been seen. The answer I received was that the
> receiver appeared to be deaf. End of story, nobody jumped up and down,
> nobody accused anybody of anything. If anything there was appreciation of
> the work involved in keeping remote systems on air. I did say that coverage
> in those remote parts was good and would have been exceptional had rcc been
> working. Not a complaint, more a statement of praise for that system and
> it's potential.
>
> As for HF (read 30m) it is grossly below saturation level and I doubt that
> we'll ever reach saturation given the low number of users - now and future -
> and the difficulty in setting up a mobile rig/antenna, compared with vhf.
> BTW, HF works equally well in all areas of Australia - city or outback - due
> to the spread of gateways around Oz (I was one of them for many years and
> will be again soon.
>
> If I remember correctly you and I exchanged numerous emails a few years back
> regarding an FM828.
>
> Take heart mate, nobody was criticising.
>
> Regards
> Ray vk2tv
>
>
>
> On 06/01/14 18:39, Robert wrote:
>> May I ask, WHY, if one digi stops working, the world is going to stop.
>> The guys that spend, take the time to put these digi in work hard to
>> keep them working, as I am one of these guys, it a huge area. And yep,
>> if you all went to HF, would be great for us, but trust me, the HF air
>> waves would be saturated, and stop working.
>>
>> HF works great in the outback, lived in NT for over 10 years, but
>> closer to the eastern sea board, VHF is the go, but it not easy fix,
>> there are big areas, and travel time, nothing like the Metro areas, just
> remember that.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Robert
>> VK2KGV
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au]
>> On Behalf Of David
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 5:52 PM
>> To: Australian APRS Users
>> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>>
>> Hi Liz......there is a local guy here in Townsville who does a lot of
>> 4WD tripping and carries a HF APRS system.
>> you could try and contact him on    vk4mdx at wia.org.au
>> im sure David will give you all the help he can
>>
>> David VK4BDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/14 16:43, Liz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:55:20 +1100
>>> Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand I was not being critical, I really do understand
>>>> the problems that distance can create, and gear does go down. My one
>>>> regret is that I was unable to experience "normal" vhf aprs coverage
>>>> in that part of the state because I think it would have been even
>>>> more impressive than it already was.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ray vk2tv
>>> I agree with Ray. APRS coverage on VHF is improving, but the more
>>> sites we have, the more times we will have breakdowns.
>>>
>>> I, too, "need" HF APRS for some places I go which are out of reach of
>>> all VHF repeaters, the mobile telephone systems etc.
>>>
>>> If I went the 30 metre route
>>> what antenna? (mounting it is problem number 1) and what gear?
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> VK2XSE
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OZAPRS mailing list
>>> OZAPRS at aprs.net.au
>>> http://lists.aprs.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ozaprs
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:58:44 +1100
> From: Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au>
> To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
> Message-ID: <52CA7044.7000606 at exemail.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Trust me, you're not a pain. I'm sure I've been equally defensive over
> the last 40+ years.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Ray vk2tv
>
> On 06/01/14 19:24, Robert wrote:
>> Ok, Im sorry I caused problems
>>
>>
>> Yep 828, in the back shed old ic-22s worked the treat, and no upgrading to
>> Motorola, so will have some  828, both vhf and ufh, 814,  815 for sale.
>>
>> Again Sorry for been a pain.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> VK2KGV
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Wells
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 6:56 PM
>> To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
>> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>>
>> David,
>>
>> You seem to have flown off at a bit of a tangent. Nobody has complained
>> about any digi being missing and nobody has mentioned the world stopping. I
>> asked the question if there was a problem with vk2rcc-1, having driven under
>> its footprint and having not been seen. The answer I received was that the
>> receiver appeared to be deaf. End of story, nobody jumped up and down,
>> nobody accused anybody of anything. If anything there was appreciation of
>> the work involved in keeping remote systems on air. I did say that coverage
>> in those remote parts was good and would have been exceptional had rcc been
>> working. Not a complaint, more a statement of praise for that system and
>> it's potential.
>>
>> As for HF (read 30m) it is grossly below saturation level and I doubt that
>> we'll ever reach saturation given the low number of users - now and future -
>> and the difficulty in setting up a mobile rig/antenna, compared with vhf.
>> BTW, HF works equally well in all areas of Australia - city or outback - due
>> to the spread of gateways around Oz (I was one of them for many years and
>> will be again soon.
>>
>> If I remember correctly you and I exchanged numerous emails a few years back
>> regarding an FM828.
>>
>> Take heart mate, nobody was criticising.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ray vk2tv
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/14 18:39, Robert wrote:
>>> May I ask, WHY, if one digi stops working, the world is going to stop.
>>> The guys that spend, take the time to put these digi in work hard to
>>> keep them working, as I am one of these guys, it a huge area. And yep,
>>> if you all went to HF, would be great for us, but trust me, the HF air
>>> waves would be saturated, and stop working.
>>>
>>> HF works great in the outback, lived in NT for over 10 years, but
>>> closer to the eastern sea board, VHF is the go, but it not easy fix,
>>> there are big areas, and travel time, nothing like the Metro areas, just
>> remember that.
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Robert
>>> VK2KGV
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au]
>>> On Behalf Of David
>>> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 5:52 PM
>>> To: Australian APRS Users
>>> Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] VK2RCC not working
>>>
>>> Hi Liz......there is a local guy here in Townsville who does a lot of
>>> 4WD tripping and carries a HF APRS system.
>>> you could try and contact him on    vk4mdx at wia.org.au
>>> im sure David will give you all the help he can
>>>
>>> David VK4BDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/01/14 16:43, Liz wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:55:20 +1100
>>>> Ray Wells <vk2tv at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please understand I was not being critical, I really do understand
>>>>> the problems that distance can create, and gear does go down. My one
>>>>> regret is that I was unable to experience "normal" vhf aprs coverage
>>>>> in that part of the state because I think it would have been even
>>>>> more impressive than it already was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ray vk2tv
>>>> I agree with Ray. APRS coverage on VHF is improving, but the more
>>>> sites we have, the more times we will have breakdowns.
>>>>
>>>> I, too, "need" HF APRS for some places I go which are out of reach of
>>>> all VHF repeaters, the mobile telephone systems etc.
>>>>
>>>> If I went the 30 metre route
>>>> what antenna? (mounting it is problem number 1) and what gear?
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>> VK2XSE
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OZAPRS mailing list
>>>> OZAPRS at aprs.net.au
>>>> http://lists.aprs.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ozaprs
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Regards
John Press - VK2YGV
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