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Sun Aug 23 09:03:27 EST 2009

conditions unlike VHF where you can get a "Hit" just about every beacon
quite often on HF two or three beacons, possibly more if conditions are
not right, can easily not get heard in TOTAL by a gateway and this being
the case will not be gated.

Normal highway out of town conditions where most HF Mobile APRS would take
place could easily put you 50 to 100 Kms out, if we had perfect conditions
all day and every beacon was copied and gated we agree 10-15 minutes
beaconing would be fine but in actual fact this more often than not is not
the case.

As there are at present so few HF Mobile APRS stations operating and until
such time as we see a reasonable increase in Mobiles that we feel beacons
intervals of 1.5 to 2 minute intervals would be acceptable especially
considering that not every HF beacon is gated and most of the day all one
hears is the Gateways with their occasional beacons.

As an example I have been mobile for at least 1.5 hours over the past 24
hours beaconing then at every minute if you were to look at findu, at this
moment, you would find that the last time VK4BBS-15 was gated was over 24
hours ago then by VK3MY-4.

A different tack to the other suggestion we know but as my email reads
food for thought.

B C N U

Brian VK4BBS

PS: We agree that it would be great to see a gateway Alice Springs if that
was possible along a couple in VK6 all of which would be a real bonus of
that there is no doubt.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi All</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At
last I see skip distance being talked about for </span></font><font =
size=3D2
 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:navy'>APRS</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. It is no =
different than
SSB if you want to talk to a VK6 from VK2 you would depend the where we =
are in
the sunspot cycle, you would probably use 20M as this would give the =
best
signal. </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>APRS</span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> is no different except you actually need a better signal to =
noise ratio
for AX25 data than voice. What this means is if we want reliable system =
we need
a wide spread of HF gateways so any packets have a fair chance of =
reaching at
least 1 gateway some where or we need gateways that are use more than 1
frequency and the user just changes frequency to suite conditions. =
</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

I personally favour a mix of the 2 =
options
I have been a strong supporter of 40M as this band is very good for the =
medium
distance skip 200-500km. This band is better suited for the shorter =
distances
between gateways here in ZL. 30M is good for the 800-1200 km these skip =
distances
are for daylight hours as during darkness hours this all changes =
dramatically.
I usually see the VK 30M gateways here at dawn and dusk. We also need to =
take
into account the declining sunspot cycle as we continue to the bottom =
over the
next few years we will see the skip distances on 30 and 40 meters =
increase.

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Regards Rob Thirkettle =
ZL3RX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>University of
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New"><span
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New"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Tony Hunt
[mailto:wavetel at iname.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 08, =
2004 1:21
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
bbeamish at bigpond.net.au;
ozaprs at marconi.ics.mq.edu.au<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OZAPRS] HF =
MOBILE
beaconing, food for thought.</span></font></p>

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<div>

Hmm.. I see Richard is =
sugesting
10-15 minutes and Des is looking for 1.5 to 2 mins .. I said I was =
running 7
mins in the mobile.. Good to see I am in the middle ground.. =

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I would have to argue =
against the
1.5-2 mins Des.. Most days of late in this last week Ive been seeing =
4BBS 4CLM
4DMI when its up with regularity.. You may not have seen me driving =
around but
Ive copied all yous guys up there both in the mobile and at =
home..

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I started off this =
yesterday with
the observation in regards to 2HL and his aprox &nbsp;30 second =
beacons..</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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Its hit and miss at times =
on HF I
agree but 2HL was at 10am getting about 50-70 percent of his beacons =
onto our
VHF net here and into the Igate and likewise at 5pm when I got home he =
was
getting 100 percent of them in.. It was actually creating a noticable
difference in traffic levels on 2m ..&nbsp;Hence my =
comments..

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<div>

As stated previously the =
Hop seems
to be about 1000 km and as much as 2000km frequently.. That means I see =
VK3
most of the time VK2 nearly all the time and VK4 as soon as the suns =
up.. Yep
southern &nbsp;VK8 would be a good spot for a Gate..

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think we have started to =
develop
the idea that its very hard to get a posit through (as I know I was) but =
in
reality we have had a severe lack of Gates that was not realised until
recently..</span></font></p>

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<div>

We need to be careful of a =
mentality
where we think we will be able to get the mobile tracking on HF to be as
frequent or acurate as VHF Metro nets.. This will never be the case.. =
Lets face
it&nbsp;if I am in the middle of the desert a few Kms either way means =
nothing
to most of us.. If we make camp at night or for a few days then the last =
known
posit is a fair guess at being right..&nbsp;&nbsp;

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<div>

Its =
interesting to see
that we have not seen a posit from Andrew on Findu for over 9 Days up =
there in
VK6 as well.. So now I am worried as to his last known posit being =
relavant.. I
did copy him earlier this week in the mobile and he had started heading =
south
towards Perth so hes probably near Broome I guess but that posit never =
got onto
the net.. I would sugest we are better off on 20m now frankly for this =
path..
The occasional ZL on 30m seems to bob up here giving the impression that =
the
path streches out at times but I guess in VK2/4/3 you would see ZLs more
often.. As Ive said Ive had up to 10 stations on the map in the car with
regularity and they are all east of here..

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<div>

What we really need to look =
at with
the HF gates is making sure whereever possible to put them in quiet =
locations..
Ive had the good fortune this last week or 2 to park the car in the =
hills on a
job in the middle of a padock well away from the noises of suburbs etc =
and the
difference in the map is amazing.. The signals that do decode and the =
distances
are quite impressive.. We know what its like with voice coms on HF to =
get a
good quiet locality but how much more so with packet on =
HF..

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<div>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thers my bit.. =
</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Tony =
VK5AH</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message =
----- </span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:bbeamish at bigpond.net.au"
title=3D"bbeamish at bigpond.net.au">Brian Beamish</a> </span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><=
/font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:ozaprs at marconi.ics.mq.edu.au" =
title=3D"ozaprs at marconi.ics.mq.edu.au">OZAPRS</a>
</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
July 07, 2004 9:27 AM</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s=
pan></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [OZAPRS] HF
MOBILE beaconing, food for thought.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Folks</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am&nbsp;not trying or =
even
intending to stir up a hornets nest so please no flack just constructive
criticism if any.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Des VK4DMI-4 and myself =
think along
similar lines on this.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From our experience over a
long&nbsp;period&nbsp;we find that with skip and band conditions unlike =
VHF
where you can get a &quot;Hit&quot; just about every beacon quite often =
on HF
two or three beacons, possibly more if conditions are not right, can =
easily not
get heard in&nbsp;<strong><b><u><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>TOTAL</span></font></u></b></strong>
by a gateway and this being the case will not be =
gated.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Normal highway out of town
conditions where most HF Mobile APRS would take place could easily put =
you 50
to 100 Kms out, if we had perfect conditions all day and every beacon =
was
copied and gated we agree 10-15 minutes beaconing would be fine =
but&nbsp;in
actual fact&nbsp;this more often than not&nbsp;is not the =
case.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As there are at present so =
few HF
Mobile APRS stations operating and until such time as we see a =
reasonable
increase in Mobiles that we feel beacons intervals of 1.5 to 2 minute =
intervals
would be acceptable especially considering that not every HF beacon is =
gated
and most of the day all one hears is the Gateways with their occasional
beacons.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As an example I have been =
mobile for
at least 1.5 hours over the past 24 hours beaconing then at every minute =
if you
were to look at findu, at this moment, you would find that the last
time&nbsp;VK4BBS-15 was gated was over 24 hours ago then by =
VK3MY-4.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A different tack to the =
other
suggestion we know but as my email reads food for =
thought.</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>B C N U</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Brian =
VK4BBS</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>PS: We agree that it would =
be great
to see a gateway Alice Springs if that was possible&nbsp;along&nbsp;a =
couple in
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