[OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF (Robert Bruninga)

[Robert Bruninga]

Regarding the HF path recommendation of VIA GATE,WIDE1-1:

> With the greatest of respect Bob I gotta say your a bit 
> off beam here if not misleading.  Telling us what to do 
> from over your way is way off sometimes.   The New 
> paradigm isnt implenented here as yet and saying things like.
>
>> "(it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but the WIDE part  
>> of that is now obsolete and will not work)."
> 
> Just isnt true.. Recomending anything with WIDE1-1 isnt 
> allways guaranteed to get very far either

Are you saying that your area is a WIDE-only network that does
not even support WIDEn-N?  WIDE1-1 works everywhere independent
of whether New-N has been implemented or not, as long as WIDEn-N
works. WIDEn-N has been implemented since 1998 or so...  WIDE1-1
is just a WIDEn-N with N=1.  If there are still some WIDE-only
locations that do not support WIDEn-N at all, then I think it is
probably time for those networks to consider the factor of 2 to
4 times QRM reduction available in WIDEn-N networks.

The New-N Paradigm, is simply a recommended set of settings for
WIDEn-N networks to optimize their operations.  But even if not
implementd, WIDEn-N still works in those areas and so will
WIDE1-1.  Even if 10% of the world is still WIDE-only, then
using WIDE1-1 will still give you a 90% better chance of being
heard than a WIDE-only packet if you propogate into those other
coutries.

> That might all work nice for you but are we really expecting 
> the Ionosphere to work that well that we can make regular use 
> of your HF gates over there??  

Most of the APRS world, not just the USA supports WIDEn-N
digipeating (hence WIDE1-1).

> Maybe for the best solution to the question in VK land have 
> a look at this web page which isnt all that dated.
> http://www.aprs.net.au/hf_aprs_information.htm

Sorry, I get a dead link when I try that from here..

Bob, WB4APR

> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:39:58 -0500
> > From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [OZAPRS] APRS on 30 metres HF
> >
> > > I have tried several HF path variations like GATE,
> > > WIDE and did not make it to www.findu.com
> > >
> > > What is the correct path statement that should be used?
> >
> > The path that has always been recommended since we first 
> > began HF APRS on that freequency back in 1993, that is, 
> > VIA GATE,WIDE1-1.  (it used to be VIA GATE,WIDE, but the 
> > WIDE part of that is now obsolete and will not work).  
> > See the original HF.TXT file.  See the web page:
> >
> > http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/gates.html
> >
> > Do not use ECHO.  The page explained above tells why...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bob, Wb4APR

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