[OZAPRS] European v US new paradigm and path limiting.

Thu Oct 26 23:15:59 EST 2006

Hi Mike,
Thanks for the Great example of what will happen on a very large scale
when
VK3 changes frequency on all it's digis. We have only changed over 3 digis
and an IGate. There are 17 digis and 4 IGates to go. When the western VK3
digis change VK5 will be introduced into the mix as well and we still have
another 4 digis to change that will hit VK7 on a regular basis.

Yes the current EU and US new paradigm versions are the same. The EU one
was
changed to be the same as the US in the latest revision. Previous
revisions
still used RELAY. The VK3 network will support the US new paradigm version
when the Frequency Change project is completed even though Relay and Wide
may still be used locally for a time.

I would recommend that all APRS station in South Eastern Australia (and if
practical all Australia) be limited to a maximum of 3 or may be even 2
digipeater hops using network controls. This will help curb the path
problem
in your message. Comments?

Cheers
Richard
VK3JFK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au [mailto:ozaprs-bounces at aprs.net.au] On
> Behalf Of Mike Townsend
> Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:00 PM
> To: ozaprs at aprs.net.au
> Subject: [OZAPRS] European v US new paradigm and path limiting.
> 
> If I'm not mistaken from what can be found on the net concerning
> recommended APRS paths in EU at the moment is that they look the same as
> the US recommended paths.
> 
> How about  looking 100% forward instead of spending half our time
looking
> back.
> 
> With VK3 moving to 145.175MHz here is a good example of what is on the
way
> concerning congestion if  WIDEn-n paths are not limited at the Digis. If
> you look at this log you can see that VK7JJ north of Launceston has been
> I-Gated by VK7 as far south as Hobart and north into VK3 and even VK1.So
> what comes this way can certianly go the other. Here in Sydney I see
> mobiles that beacon every 30 seconds regardless of their speed.One even
> sitting in a carpark for hours on end at this beacon rate with a path of
> RELAY,WIDE3-3.
> 
> Is there anyone that can pass on contact details for the APRS digi
> maintainers here in NSW.
> 
> 2006-10-25 14:02:12 START UTC
> 2006-10-25 14:02:12
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"4C}
> 2006-10-25 15:51:38
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"4<}
> 2006-10-25 16:01:35
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`dl  v/"4:}
> 2006-10-25 16:11:34
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"4J}
> 2006-10-25 17:31:08
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W7,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"4!}
> 2006-10-25 18:00:58
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"49}
> 2006-10-25 18:20:51
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el  v/"4;}
> 2006-10-25 18:50:43
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`gl  v/"4P}
> 2006-10-25 19:10:35 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-1,qAR,VK1KCM-9 <UI>:
> `K`dl  v/"46}
> 2006-10-25 20:10:16 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-1,qAR,VK1KCM-9 <UI>:
> `K`dl  v/"4C}
> 2006-10-25 21:28:38 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4>}
> 2006-10-25 21:48:33 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`dl ]v/"46}
> 2006-10-25 21:58:31
VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7RHT,VK7RAD,WIDE2*,qAo,VK7HDM-
> 12 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4@}
> 2006-10-25 22:18:23 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4;}
> 2006-10-25 23:08:06 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W9,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`dl ]v/"4@}
> 2006-10-25 23:28:00 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`dl ]v/"4%}
> 2006-10-25 23:57:50 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4H}
> 2006-10-26 00:17:44 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"46}
> 2006-10-26 00:27:40 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"46}
> 2006-10-26 00:37:38 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7YBI*,WIDE2-1,qAo,VK7DC
<UI>:
> `K`dl ]v/"48}
> 2006-10-26 00:47:36 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7YBI*,WIDE2-1,qAo,VK7DC
<UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4A}
> 2006-10-26 00:57:31 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"47}
> 2006-10-26 01:07:28 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"46}
> 2006-10-26 01:17:24 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el ]v/"4<}
> 2006-10-26 01:27:22 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7YBI*,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4K}
> 2006-10-26 01:37:19 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA,VK7YBI*,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4@}
> 2006-10-26 02:07:08 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4<}
> 2006-10-26 02:27:02 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4I}
> 2006-10-26 02:36:58 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4A}
> 2006-10-26 02:46:55 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`fl#(v/"4I}
> 2006-10-26 02:56:52 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4?}
> 2006-10-26 03:06:49 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W7,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`fl#(v/"4D}
> 2006-10-26 03:16:46 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4I}
> 2006-10-26 03:36:39 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"44}
> 2006-10-26 03:46:36 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4;}
> 2006-10-26 03:56:33 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4C}
> 2006-10-26 04:06:29 VK7JJ-9>TQP0X0,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK3VHF-1 <UI>:
> `K``l#(v/"2J}
> 2006-10-26 04:26:23 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"42}
> 2006-10-26 04:36:20 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4.}
> 2006-10-26 04:46:17 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4,}
> 2006-10-26 05:06:10 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4:}
> 2006-10-26 05:36:02 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W7,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"48}
> 2006-10-26 05:46:01 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4;}
> 2006-10-26 06:45:42 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4N}
> 2006-10-26 06:55:38 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4f}
> 2006-10-26 07:05:33 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4J}
> 2006-10-26 07:25:33 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`gl#(v/"4k}
> 2006-10-26 07:55:16 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4E}
> 2006-10-26 08:15:13 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"4;}
> 2006-10-26 08:25:07 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4?}
> 2006-10-26 08:35:06 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`dl#(v/"46}
> 2006-10-26 08:45:02 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4=}
> 2006-10-26 08:54:58 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"4G}
> 2006-10-26 09:25:06 VK7JJ-9>TQP0W8,VK7RAA*,WIDE2-2,qAo,VK7DC <UI>:
> `K`el#(v/"49}
> 
> 
> Mike, VK2INT
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